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A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by tessierashpool9 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #99
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians. this is not just whataboutism - if you don't fight for resources then you'll have to buy them for a very high price. and ukrain…

Don’t give yourself credit for understanding the “much more complicated” picture of the invasion than what other people are identifying. You’re right here saying that it’s a resource grab. That’s what everyone else identifies it as too. You don’t have a more “complicated” picture or a more complete one, just one that’s devoid of a moral imperative.

i'm not giving me credit for anything. just saying how it is. so, what's your point?

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#102

Post by llamaimperative »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #101
llamaimperative wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t give yourself credit for understanding the “much more complicated” picture of the invasion than what other people are identifying. You’re right here saying that it’s a resource grab. That’s what everyone else identifies it as too. You don’t have a more “complicated” picture or a more complete one, just one that’s devoid of a moral imperative.

i'm not giving me credit for anything. just saying how it is. so, what's your point?

> as far as my observations go it's a little more complicated

It is literally not more complicated, as you’ve just laid out.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#103

Post by vindex10 »

freehorse wrote: post #98
llamaimperative wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not making some political argument here, I’m saying “boycott Russia due to its war of aggression against a neighbor” isn’t buying into “US foreign policy.” There are direct moral and ethical implications totally aside from any policy ones. Make whatever moral calculus you want, just don’t play the goofball contrarian stuff and act like that’s derived from some high and mighty “I am independent from US foreign pol…

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I do it on mandates of my home country is being invaded. It is not particularly about the US here.

Apart from that,

It should be socially unacceptable to come and grab part of the other country because "you want to".

By not boycotting, for me it feels at least like "one doesnt care", the worst "one socially accepts it".

As well as you can socially accept dark patterns on the web - they make money, customers pay - that's fine maybe?

Successful companies have a say in what is ethically acceptable. Same with green energy and other things that don't bring money short term but defend the better world we want to live in.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#104

Post by DJHenk »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #84

I use duckduckgo and I get great search results. To get summaries of stuff that interesting, but not important, I use duck.ai, perplexity.ai or iask.ai. Since I am happy with the searches, and it takes very little time, I do not want to pay 10 USD per month. I do find it interesting that so many people have such great problems with their searches, but I suspect it is because they are searching for very complicated pr…

> I do find it interesting that so many people have such great problems with their searches

Even ignoring the quality of the results, the idea that people refuse to pay 10 dollars for something as essential to life as a search engine continues to baffle me.

I think we can all agree on a couple of points:

- Information shapes our thoughts and our behaviour.

- Search engines provide and direct us to the majority of the information we consume.

- Thus, search engines have a significant influence on our thoughts and our behaviour.

How anyone can then conclude that the search engine of a hyper capitalistic ad company is the best alternative, just because it is 10 dollars cheaper, is beyond me.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#105

Post by vindex10 »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #97
llamaimperative wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only psychopath children: “I’m not bullying him, I’m just saying if he does anything I don’t want him to do I will bully him.” Allegedly astute observers of European history: “Russia isn’t an aggressor, it just will aggress if its independent neighbors do anything Russia doesn’t like.” Yeah bro that’s still called “starting a war.”

sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians. this is not just whataboutism - if you don't fight for resources then you'll have to buy them for a very high price. and ukrain…

if it is a majority today, it is because those who had pro-Ukrainian views were killed or had to leave not to be killed. people have families and not always can just "move away" - that's why they are forced to get russian passports not to be killed

it has never been internal war in the east of Ukraine, and the full scale war there today is the proof.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#107

Post by tessierashpool9 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #102
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm not giving me credit for anything. just saying how it is. so, what's your point?

> as far as my observations go it's a little more complicated It is literally not more complicated, as you’ve just laid out.

your explanation boils down to "russia is an aggressor and hence will aggress". i'm considering the context - so, my perspective is a little more complicated.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#108

Post by tessierashpool9 »

vindex10 wrote: post #105
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians. this is not just whataboutism - if you don't fight for resources then you'll have to buy them for a very high price. and ukrain…

if it is a majority today, it is because those who had pro-Ukrainian views were killed or had to leave not to be killed. people have families and not always can just "move away" - that's why they are forced to get russian passports not to be killed it has never been internal war in the east of Ukraine, and the full scale war there today is the proof.

the crimeans not just didn't defend against the russian invasion they applauded it.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#109

Post by mopsi »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #97
llamaimperative wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only psychopath children: “I’m not bullying him, I’m just saying if he does anything I don’t want him to do I will bully him.” Allegedly astute observers of European history: “Russia isn’t an aggressor, it just will aggress if its independent neighbors do anything Russia doesn’t like.” Yeah bro that’s still called “starting a war.”

sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians. this is not just whataboutism - if you don't fight for resources then you'll have to buy them for a very high price. and ukrain…

> sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians.

This is not some "nuanced view", but blatantly wrong Russian propaganda:

1. The notion of "the US expands NATO" is ridiculously wrong. In Central and Eastern Europe, getting into NATO is considered the holy grail of foreign policy. Since the end of the Cold War, it has been regarded as the top goal in foreign policy (along with the EU membership), because nobody wants to return to being unfree prisoners under Russian rule in severely stagnating dictatorships, from which European nations broke free only 35 years ago.

2. I stress: Central and Eastern Europe passionately wants into the pact that would help to defend them in case of another Russian invasion. Sweden even abandoned its 200 years of neutrality and entered the pact. Trying to depict this as some kind of American initiative is plain wrong.

3. Existing members had refused to invite Ukraine into NATO in 2008 and the topic of Ukraine's entry into NATO was completely off the table by the time of Russian invasion in 2014.

4. There was no "war against their own citizens" in Eastern Ukraine. The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that the entire thing was a covert Russian special operation, directly under Russian military command. Their verdict is long and gives a really good overview.

The entire war is about as complicated as the invasion of Poland and France. Just plain naked aggression by a totalitarian dictatorship that first crushed all internal opposition, then turned outwardly expansionist. History has seen many such examples.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#110

Post by mopsi »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #108
vindex10 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if it is a majority today, it is because those who had pro-Ukrainian views were killed or had to leave not to be killed. people have families and not always can just "move away" - that's why they are forced to get russian passports not to be killed it has never been internal war in the east of Ukraine, and the full scale war there today is the proof.

the crimeans not just didn't defend against the russian invasion they applauded it.

And those who didn't applaud learned what "punitive psychiatry" means:

  Refusing to bow to an occupier in Russia’s world labels you as “mentally ill.” Through forced diagnoses, drugging, and institutionalizing—even children—Russia’s modern occupation of Ukraine echoes a horrifying Soviet tactic: punitive psychiatry.
https://united24media.com/anti-fake/how-russia-revives-sovie...
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