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Re: 28h Days: year 1 update

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Post by pcthrowaway »

lloeki wrote: post #95
bix6 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you figure out your cycle time?

> How You need a significant period of time without any time-bound obligation (or even any obligation at all). Any need for an alarm or anything that you'd possibly materialise in a calendar needs to be removed. You need a room which is pitch black at night (e.g blocks street lights, no leds), yet still allows a tiny bit of sunlight (rationale: without cues the circadian cycle extends up to 48h, there was an experime…

> rationale: without cues the circadian cycle extends up to 48h, there was an experiment about that

Do you have a link to this experiment? I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. Studies referenced in the non-24 wikipedia page suggest natural circadian rhythms typically range from 24-25.5 hours for people not getting external cues.

Re: 28h Days: year 1 update

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Post by ericyd »

grishka wrote: post #92
Aurornis wrote: post #32

I’ve been fascinated with alternative sleep schedules since I was very young. My initial interest turned to a fascination when I realized the only positive long-term reports were usually from people trying to sell something: Their book, a sleep plan, or just using their sleep cycle as a social hook to impress others (influencers, basically). All of the forum reports started out optimistic and then ended in disappoint…

Fight the sunlight? What the hell do you even mean ?! I don't have a 24-hour sleeping schedule naturally. I can force myself into it, but I'll feel miserable because I have to fight my own body to not "fight the sunlight". Some people start naturally getting drowsy in the evening every day, yes, sure. Good for them. I'm not one of those people. So I'm very much with the author here and I might actually try 28-hour da…

I think they mean that light exposure has been causally linked to wakefulness, which I'm sure is a statistical thing and not an absolute thing, meaning your experience is still valid even though it's different. Your indignation made me chuckle though, I appreciate the tone.

Re: 28h Days: year 1 update

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Post by sensanaty »

euroderf wrote: post #97
zemvpferreira wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likewise but I've found small melatonin doses (plus reducing caffeine to once per day) to really help me conform to a 24 hour day. Worth trying if you haven't.

I tried melatonin. It gave me nightmares. Weird, but it was repeatable. So, my 0,02€.

Anecdotally, me too. If not nightmares, very bizzare dreams that leave me feeling a bit weird for the day and I don't really feel nearly as rested as regular sleep, even if I sleep for longer.

Re: 28h Days: year 1 update

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Post by eqvinox »

This article would really benefit from stating how old (roughly) the author is… a good portion of people in my bubble report changes to sleep habits (and needs) in their early to mid 30ies.

Re: 28h Days: year 1 update

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Post by nefrix »

WD-42 wrote: post #44
spoaceman7777 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The greatest benefit is that you can stay up until you're absolutely dog-tired every day, and not have to worry about all the rituals of "sleep hygiene", like limiting screen time, dimming lights, no coffee, etc. On a >24 hour sleep schedule, you _will_ be tired when it's time to sleep. Guaranteed. Not only that, you can sleep longer and will always feel well-rested. Meeting people all around the world, when they're…

After reading the article it kinda sounds like he just takes a lot more naps. Feels like cheating.

He said he would take an hour nap when tired , which means he will have another 6 hours sleep per week, which adds him another full night of sleep every week.

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Post by dahart »

grishka wrote: post #92
Aurornis wrote: post #32

I’ve been fascinated with alternative sleep schedules since I was very young. My initial interest turned to a fascination when I realized the only positive long-term reports were usually from people trying to sell something: Their book, a sleep plan, or just using their sleep cycle as a social hook to impress others (influencers, basically). All of the forum reports started out optimistic and then ended in disappoint…

Fight the sunlight? What the hell do you even mean ?! I don't have a 24-hour sleeping schedule naturally. I can force myself into it, but I'll feel miserable because I have to fight my own body to not "fight the sunlight". Some people start naturally getting drowsy in the evening every day, yes, sure. Good for them. I'm not one of those people. So I'm very much with the author here and I might actually try 28-hour da…

> Fight the sunlight? What the hell do you even mean?!

Are you not getting much sunlight? I can understand the reaction to being told something that doesn’t match your experience. But. The link between sunlight and sleep for most life on earth is pretty well established science, and has a name: Circadian Rhythm.

Have you ever tried camping for a week? My sleep tends to drift when I’m working indoors a lot, up late at night a lot, during winter, etc. But if I spend multiple days outside, it starts to align with sunrise almost immediately.

Both of these links say that Circadian Rhythms tend to drift and be longer than a day on average in the absence of sunlight.

https://www.sleepfoundation.org/circadian-rhythm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm

Re: 28h Days: year 1 update

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Post by somethingsome »

S_A_P wrote: post #11

After reading the article I didn’t pick up what any of the advantages are of 28hr days other than being able to communicate with other regions of the world on certain days. I suppose that could be a very important factor for some people who do work in a geographically dispersed area. A few things I would be concerned with are: 1) your SO is not on the same schedule and really for what isn’t a solid reason. I could se…

I don't follow such a program, but I sleep when needed, so if I'm sleepy, I go to sleep, and I wake up at wathever hour, no alarms. This means that sometimes I have long sleep nights, other times I only have naps, most of the time it is a mix between both. Lately I go to sleep around 3-6 in the morning, wake up around 8-11 and sometimes have naps during the day. (same principle for eating)

I do this at least from 10 years without bad effects, the positive effects are that I'm more awake and feel fresh longer, in control of my mental power.

It is quite easy to do it while having normal life obligations, I can wake up sooner if something needs to be done, and then, after the task, I can continue to do my day until sleepy, at which point I can sleep again. So, if I have many meeting on a day, I can stay up all day without issues, maybe I'll sleep more in the evening or following day.

I think the quantity of sleep I require depends on the tasks I'm doing. If some task is particularly mentally exhausting I'll automatically do more naps during the day, this in turn makes me more efficient at solving difficult problems.

It is extremely comfortable to solve hard problems in this way, when you work too long on it, you get sleepy, and as you wake up, you are again fully focused and with fresh perspectives.

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