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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by positr0n »

ryao wrote: post #78
simondotau wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That PCB is probably a few dollars per unit. The die is probably the same as the one in the 5070. I've no doubt it's an expensive product to build, but that doesn't mean the price is cost plus markup.

Currently, the 5070 is expected to use the GB205 die while the 5090 is expected to use the GB202 die: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5070.c4218 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5090.c4216 It is unlikely that the 5070 and 5090 share the same die when the 4090 and 4080 did not share same die. Also, could an electrical engineer estimate how much this costs to manufacture: https://vide…

Is the last link wrong? It doesn't mention cost.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by ggregoire »

ericfrederich wrote: post #18
malnourish wrote: post #6

I will be astonished if I'll be able to get a 5090 due to availability. The 5080's comparative lack of memory is a buzzkill -- 16 GB seems like it's going to be a limiting factor for 4k gaming. Does anyone know what these might cost in the US after the rumored tariffs?

4k gaming is dumb. I watched a LTT video that came out today where Linus said he primarily uses gaming monitors and doesn't mess with 4k.

I watched the same video you talking about [1], where he's trying the PG27UCDM (new 27" 4K 240Hz OLED "gaming monitor" [2]) and his first impressions are "it's so clean and sharp", then he starts Doom Eternal and after a few seconds he says "It's insane [...] It looks perfect".

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ404RCyqhk

[2] https://rog.asus.com/monitors/27-to-31-5-inches/rog-swift-ol...

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by ryao »

lz400 wrote: post #90
paxys wrote: post #14

Even though they are all marketed as gaming cards, Nvidia is now very clearly differentiating between 5070/5070 Ti/5080 for mid-high end gaming and 5090 for consumer/entry-level AI. The gap between xx80 and xx90 is going to be too wide for regular gamers to cross this generation.

How will a 5090 compare against project digits? now that they're both in the front page :)

We will not really know until memory bandwidth and compute numbers are published. However, Project Digits seems like a successor to the NVIDIA Jetson AGX Orin 64GB Developer Kit, which was based on the Ampere architecture and has 204.8GB/sec memory bandwidth:

https://www.okdo.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/jetson-agx-o...

The 3090 Ti had about 5 times the memory bandwidth and 5 times the compute capability. If that ratio holds for blackwell, the 5090 will run circles around it when it has enough VRAM (or you have enough 5090 cards to fit everything into VRAM).

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by ryao »

kcb wrote: post #23
paxys wrote: post #14

Even though they are all marketed as gaming cards, Nvidia is now very clearly differentiating between 5070/5070 Ti/5080 for mid-high end gaming and 5090 for consumer/entry-level AI. The gap between xx80 and xx90 is going to be too wide for regular gamers to cross this generation.

Yup, the days of the value high end card are dead it seems like. I thought we would see a cut down 4090 at some point last generation but it never happened. Surely there's a market gap somewhere between 5090 and 5080.

The xx90 cards are really Titan cards. The 3090 was the successor to the Titan RTX, while the 3080 Ti was the successor to the 2080 Ti, which succeeded the 1080 Ti. This succession continued into the 40 series and now the 50 series. If you consider the 2080 Ti to be the "value high end card" of its day, then it would follow that the 5080 is the value high end card today, not the 5090.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by ryao »

positr0n wrote: post #101
ryao wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently, the 5070 is expected to use the GB205 die while the 5090 is expected to use the GB202 die: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5070.c4218 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5090.c4216 It is unlikely that the 5070 and 5090 share the same die when the 4090 and 4080 did not share same die. Also, could an electrical engineer estimate how much this costs to manufacture: https://vide…

Is the last link wrong? It doesn't mention cost.

The PCB cost did not leak. We need an electrical engineer to estimate the cost based on what did leak.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by Refusing23 »

dijit wrote: post #84
ziml77 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 4090 already seemed positioned as a card for consumer AI enthusiast workloads. But this $1000 price gap between the 5080 and 5090 seems to finally cement that. Though we're probably still going to see tons of tech YouTubers making videos specifically about how the 5090 isn't a good value for gaming as if it even matters. The people who want to spend $2000 on a GPU for gaming don't care about the value and everyon…

From all the communication I’ve had with Nvidia, the prevailing sentiment was that the 4090 was an 8K card, that happened to be good for AI due to vram requirements from 8K gaming. However, I’m a AAA gamedev CTO and they might have been telling me what the card means to me .

Seems kinda silly to make an 8K video card when ... nobody on the planet has an 8K screen

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by [deleted] »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #30
ericfrederich wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4k gaming is dumb. I watched a LTT video that came out today where Linus said he primarily uses gaming monitors and doesn't mess with 4k.

Yep. I have both 4k and 1440p monitors and I can’t tell the difference in quality so I always use the latter for better frames. I use the 4k for reading text though, it’s noticeably better.

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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by dijit »

Refusing23 wrote: post #106
dijit wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From all the communication I’ve had with Nvidia, the prevailing sentiment was that the 4090 was an 8K card, that happened to be good for AI due to vram requirements from 8K gaming. However, I’m a AAA gamedev CTO and they might have been telling me what the card means to me .

Seems kinda silly to make an 8K video card when ... nobody on the planet has an 8K screen

2018 (6 years ago): https://www.techradar.com/reviews/dell-ultrasharp-up3218k

It's uncommon, sure, but as mentioned it was sold to me as being a development board for future resolutions.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by whalesalad »

paxys wrote: post #14

Even though they are all marketed as gaming cards, Nvidia is now very clearly differentiating between 5070/5070 Ti/5080 for mid-high end gaming and 5090 for consumer/entry-level AI. The gap between xx80 and xx90 is going to be too wide for regular gamers to cross this generation.

It’s the same pricing from last year. This already happened.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by ryao »

paxys wrote: post #41
codespin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what point do we stop calling them graphics cards?

Nvidia literally markets H100 as a "GPU" ( https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/h100/ ) even though it wasn't built for graphics and I doubt there's a single person or company using one to render any kind of graphics. GPU is just a recognizable term for the product category, and will keep being used.

Someone looked into running graphics on the A100, which is the H100's predecessor. He found that it supports OpenGL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBAxiQi2nPc

I assume someone is doing rendering on them given the OpenGL support. In theory, you could do rendering in CUDA, although it would be missing access to some of the hardware that those who work with graphics APIs claim is needed for performance purposes.

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