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Re: Who killed the rave?

#101

Post by specproc »

diggan wrote: post #74
SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #70

> The proportion of club nights running beyond 3am fell in 12 of 15 global cities between 2014 and 2024, according to a Financial Times analysis of events on listings website Resident Advisor. Club nights are not raves. Raves are (usually) not posted on RA. The underground scene is doing just fine.

You're right, but on the other hand, are we really expecting "Financial Times" get even get "raving" right, or knowing about the underground scene? The article seems to be written for people who reads a newspaper with their breakfast, not for people who had yet to gone asleep while that person reads their paper.

The FT is actually entertainingly into this sort of stuff.[0]

Honestly my favourite news outlet these days, despite my being well to the left of their editorial staff. I read it mostly for their drum and bass coverage.

[^0] See https://www.ft.com/content/7796593c-08ac-485c-afe9-a45ac2c28... or https://www.ft.com/content/084bab07-c5cf-4b25-ba7d-769af6b42..., but there's loads.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#102

Post by tokioyoyo »

diggan wrote: post #74
SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #70

> The proportion of club nights running beyond 3am fell in 12 of 15 global cities between 2014 and 2024, according to a Financial Times analysis of events on listings website Resident Advisor. Club nights are not raves. Raves are (usually) not posted on RA. The underground scene is doing just fine.

You're right, but on the other hand, are we really expecting "Financial Times" get even get "raving" right, or knowing about the underground scene? The article seems to be written for people who reads a newspaper with their breakfast, not for people who had yet to gone asleep while that person reads their paper.

From what I’ve gathered, nowadays, “raving” refers to all legal parties that are posted on RA as well. The biggest difference is, younger people associate specific venues/music as “rave”s, where mainstream music isn’t played, and people are more likely to party in the brains. It’s just the definition has shifted since the 2000s.

I wouldn’t discredit FT writers as well, as I’m assuming they’re writing for a specific audience.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#103

Post by dagw »

jjk166 wrote: post #98
diggan wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, but on the other hand, are we really expecting "Financial Times" get even get "raving" right, or knowing about the underground scene? The article seems to be written for people who reads a newspaper with their breakfast, not for people who had yet to gone asleep while that person reads their paper.

I'd expect them to not write a piece about something with which they have no familiarity and that their target audience has no particular interest in.

Did you read the article? It's mostly about the business of running nightclubs and organising music events. Something that falls cleanly with the interest of the FT and its readers. The headline is just some SEO optimised clickbait to get traffic.

Plus, as I mentioned elsewhere. A non-trivial number of today's FT readers are the same people that were at those original raves in the early 90s.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#105

Post by [deleted] »

SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #70

> The proportion of club nights running beyond 3am fell in 12 of 15 global cities between 2014 and 2024, according to a Financial Times analysis of events on listings website Resident Advisor. Club nights are not raves. Raves are (usually) not posted on RA. The underground scene is doing just fine.

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Re: Who killed the rave?

#106

Post by petecooper »

specproc wrote: post #101
diggan wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, but on the other hand, are we really expecting "Financial Times" get even get "raving" right, or knowing about the underground scene? The article seems to be written for people who reads a newspaper with their breakfast, not for people who had yet to gone asleep while that person reads their paper.

The FT is actually entertainingly into this sort of stuff.[0] Honestly my favourite news outlet these days, despite my being well to the left of their editorial staff. I read it mostly for their drum and bass coverage. [^0] See https://www.ft.com/content/7796593c-08ac-485c-afe9-a45ac2c28... or https://www.ft.com/content/084bab07-c5cf-4b25-ba7d-769af6b42... , but there's loads.

>I read [The Financial Times] mostly for their drum and bass coverage.

Brilliant. I love this on 174 different levels.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#107

Post by s1artibartfast »

yieldcrv wrote: post #52
api wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me the giveaway is the decline in sexual experience among young people. This is like a top line KPI for youth culture and socialization since when people have a lot of positive social interaction and mutual bonding experiences they tend to have sex. Loads of people have commented on these trends. I’m not pointing out anything new, but I do think a lot of people don’t see it because it’s hidden behind a facade of v…

Okay this is an interesting topic but I think you are conflating several things. The decline in sexual experience is occurring in California metros too. Its really interesting how the behaviors have shifted and surprising to me. But people are bonding, social, far less exclusionary, inclusive to things they’ve never heard of - unless you’re the wrong star sign, ironically, or political party. I date 20-somethings, it…

You say people are bonding in a less exclusionary manner, but that doesnt mean they aren't bonding less as well.

The chronic anxiety you mention, as well as the pervasive loneliness and depression I observe, seems to indicate a lack of healthy and supportive social bonds.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#108

Post by golergka »

t-3 wrote: post #59
hambos22 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In papers maybe, but in the streets, Ecstasy is the pill form of MDMA and is usually cut with other substances (e.g., speed, LSD, etc.). Therefore, when saying "Ecstasy," someone would expect a pill in a funny shape, whereas with "MDMA," they would expect powder.

I would never expect powder when I said MDMA, I would expect crystals or pills. Ecstasy is often said to be cut with other substances, but almost never is, because most other drugs are more expensive and less potent than MDMA. There are often impure batches containing meth or other amphetamines, often other "designer drugs" being pressed into pills and sold as ecstasy while not being MDMA, but rarely intentionally cu…

2CB, MMC3/4, synthetic Psylobin and others are fine in powder form

Re: Who killed the rave?

#109

Post by keybored »

specproc wrote: post #101
diggan wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, but on the other hand, are we really expecting "Financial Times" get even get "raving" right, or knowing about the underground scene? The article seems to be written for people who reads a newspaper with their breakfast, not for people who had yet to gone asleep while that person reads their paper.

The FT is actually entertainingly into this sort of stuff.[0] Honestly my favourite news outlet these days, despite my being well to the left of their editorial staff. I read it mostly for their drum and bass coverage. [^0] See https://www.ft.com/content/7796593c-08ac-485c-afe9-a45ac2c28... or https://www.ft.com/content/084bab07-c5cf-4b25-ba7d-769af6b42... , but there's loads.

Some people think highly of the FT.

https://www.ft.com/content/09f792fc-5548-11e4-89e8-00144feab...

Re: Who killed the rave?

#110

Post by raverbashing »

Nexxxeh wrote: post #86

In the two cities either side of me, a large portion of the organised events (on the DnB side at least) seem to be going daytime with a 10pm or 11pm finish on a weekend. Great fun. And there's still nighttime ones (also great fun) and illegal ones (which look to also be great fun).

Yeah, honestly after a while nobody has time or patience to stay all night "partying" anymore

The demographic that has that energy are also the ones that skip on a cover charge as much as possible and pregame

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