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Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by zimpenfish »

mcv wrote: post #84
sowbug wrote: post #11

Similarly, Kevin Kelly says "Buying tools? Start with buying the absolute cheapest tools you can find. Upgrade the ones that you use a lot. If you wind up using something as a tool for a job, buy the very best you can afford." https://www.neil.blog/full-speech-transcript/68-bits-of-unso...

I'm currently in the process of deciding how cheap I want to buy a new tool. I'm seriously considering buying an airbrush. I still have hundreds on unpainted miniatures lying around (mostly from a Reaper Bones kickstarter many years ago), and although I've had a few painting sessions and got some colour on some of them, there's too many of them to put a serious dent in them. But I keep reading how airbrushing can spe…

> Crap no doubt, but maybe good enough to try some basic priming?

I had a cheapo-crappo airbrush and it was definitely enough for basic priming with some zenithal highlighting. Didn't really use it for much else beyond "wash this area with paint quick" because I am old with poor fine motor control in the hands but I could imagine it would be something you could practice on to get the basics of "pull-back/push-down" triggers.

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by zimpenfish »

lxgr wrote: post #41
superconduct123 wrote: post #31

Why does it seem like everyone on the internet is an extreme safety ranger nowadays? Everything you do must follow the exact best practices and maximum safety protocols Someone in this very thread is saying OP could die from wearing jeans hiking Its honestly ridiculous the exaggeration that goes on in internet hobby forums And the risk acceptance is arbitrary anyway You can argue that wearing jeans hiking is taking a…

The incremental chances of dying from hiking in jeans are probably small, but those of having a bad time are non-negligible (and I say that as somebody who’s hiked quite a bit in jeans due to not knowing better). And why would you want to have a bad time? It doesn’t need to be high tech activewear: Running shorts (weather permitting) can do just fine.

> Running shorts (weather permitting) can do just fine.

Although running shorts can also chafe and cut up your undercarriage if you're not careful (source: me, about 6km into a 10km run a decade ago.)

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by calmbonsai »

Aeolun wrote: post #77
calmbonsai wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never experienced any deaths on hikes, but I have experienced folks suffering the initial stages of hypothermia (and not realizing it) when wearing jeans on a multi-day excursion when the weather went from dry and sunny to rainy, to icey-rain to sleet. Unwaxed cotton absorbs water, stays wet, and shrinks when wet to make close contact with skin--three properties that one does not want when its wet and cold.

So taking your pants off would work? Seems superior to wet clingy cold pants anyway.

That depends on the specifics of the environment, trail, and your pants.

Indeed, going "pantsless" for short periods can be less risky if your pants are already soaked-through, it's very humid, there's ice build-up, and there's little to no risk of skin abrasion from terrain traversal.

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by calmbonsai »

brailsafe wrote: post #80
calmbonsai wrote: post #60

The author is blatantly wrong wrt "jeans and hiking", but otherwise firstly doing the "discount" version of a thing to learn the thing is the right approach. Specifically to product usability, as much as Jakob Nielsen is an iconoclast in certain circles, his Discount Usability Engineering principles are timeless: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/web-discount-usability/

> The author is blatantly wrong wrt "jeans and hiking", but otherwise firstly doing the "discount" version of a thing to learn the thing is the right approach. Wildly disagree, but I suspect when they mention hiking, you get a specific idea or degree of what that means based on the type or terrain you regularly experience. While there are pieces of gear I wouldn't go into certain situations without, what those situat…

There are people who bring headphones on hikes?!!

I have no words.

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by calmbonsai »

saagarjha wrote: post #86
Aeolun wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So taking your pants off would work? Seems superior to wet clingy cold pants anyway.

In the cold?

If you're wearing "wet ice", convective heat loss from air is preferable to conductive heat loss from water.

Water on skin is a really, really good mechanism for heat transfer (both ways)--hence why we sweat in the heat.

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by valbaca »

Aeolun wrote: post #76
rootedbox wrote: post #25

I didn't wear cleats until I was almost 14 playing baseball.. I just used tennis shoes.. some of my friends gave me a hard time about it. I could hit dingers all day so no big deal. But you know what. I wore a helmet at every at bat. Did I really need it for every at bat?? No; But I had it. There's a long list of dead people who went into the wilderness or hiking under prepared. Just because it didn't happen to you d…

But how many people died even though they had the ‘right’ gear?

I too like to hold my safety gear to the standard of whether it grants invulnerability. That's a productive way to approach nuance.

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by brailsafe »

calmbonsai wrote: post #104
brailsafe wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The author is blatantly wrong wrt "jeans and hiking", but otherwise firstly doing the "discount" version of a thing to learn the thing is the right approach. Wildly disagree, but I suspect when they mention hiking, you get a specific idea or degree of what that means based on the type or terrain you regularly experience. While there are pieces of gear I wouldn't go into certain situations without, what those situat…

There are people who bring headphones on hikes?!! I have no words.

Well, I assume so. Maybe more common with runners/trailrunners?

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by analog31 »

superconduct123 wrote: post #31

Why does it seem like everyone on the internet is an extreme safety ranger nowadays? Everything you do must follow the exact best practices and maximum safety protocols Someone in this very thread is saying OP could die from wearing jeans hiking Its honestly ridiculous the exaggeration that goes on in internet hobby forums And the risk acceptance is arbitrary anyway You can argue that wearing jeans hiking is taking a…

This is a paradox of modern life, where we're indundated with gear choices and advice. Any nontrivial activity can be approached in a minimalist or maximalist fashion, and there's no certain way to choose one over the other. It doesn't require the Internet, though it may be influenced. Just mention home cooking at the lunch table, to experience the full brunt of it.

Even the minimalists brag about their (remaining) stuff, which always includes at least one Apple product.

The in-between-alists just smile and nod, knowing that we'll be drowned out.

Another facet of modern life is being able to try everything once, which means having to get the most out of it, with the assurance that it will be great. Heaven forbid figuring out your gear needs on a progression of increasingly ambitious outings, some of which are miserable. This is how we end up with beginners on extreme hiking adventures.

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by RamblingCTO »

ehnto wrote: post #66
RamblingCTO wrote: post #3

I disagree: setting yourself up for a miserable experience might cause you to lose interest, in the case of hiking. Surely you have something else than a jeans? That's the single worst thing to wear for being active.

How would you know, though? Not jeans specifically, but there are countless gotchas with most hobbies, and for skill based hobbies you'll almost always be bad at it first. That's essentially the advice here, get started instead of getting stuck researching and preparing. I think preparing your mindset for setbacks and being open minded to learning from them is more practical than being overly prepared. Since you are…

Hiking is a perfect example. Have you ever gone hiking in sneakers and jeans? It absolutely sucks. Have you ever gone camping with a shitty mattress and tent, in jeans with a way too heavy pack? It sucks and most people don't look back. If you go snorkeling with the absolute shittiest of devices and water gets into your breather, you might not want to do it again.

That's independent of the mindset your talking about. A bit of preparation can go a long way. You'll always learn, but you don't have to experience the worst of experiences to do so.

Re: Do It in Jeans First

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Post by Aeolun »

valbaca wrote: post #106
Aeolun wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how many people died even though they had the ‘right’ gear?

I too like to hold my safety gear to the standard of whether it grants invulnerability. That's a productive way to approach nuance.

I was more interested in the relative likelihood. Most people don’t die from good or bad gear, but from risky or stupid things, gear or no gear.
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