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Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

#101

Post by freitasm »

magic_smoke_ee wrote: post #59

I can't use any of the kerbalspaceprogram.com domains because of improper discrimination against IPv6 clients triggered by CloudFlare. Error 1015 Ray ID: .... • xxxx-xx-xx xx:xx:xx UTC You are being rate limited What happened? The owner of this website (wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com) has banned you temporarily from accessing this website. This sort of monoculture creates an Orwellian SPoF.

I don't think it's an IPv6 problem. IPv6 clients are more static than IPv4, which is usually shared amongst many clients (at home) or at the network level (CGNAT).

It could be the address is being reused - is it home, cloud or corporate? Have you tried different browsers? Incognito mode?

I have an IPv6 block at home and have no problem accessing that site.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

#102

Post by gruez »

viraptor wrote: post #65
gruez wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Unless you accept the racket of course, start paying them and proxy your traffic through the CF workers https://github.com/pellaeon/cloudflare-worker-proxy and magically most barriers will disappear. Source this actually works? ie. that using cloudflare workers allows you to bypass cloudflare protection?

https://jychp.medium.com/how-to-bypass-cloudflare-bot-protec... and many other posts. Haven't looked into this in a while, so can't tell you exactly how effective it is today. (Definitely corrects the high bot score of your IP though)

Sounds like all it does is make your IP reputation slightly better than tor, which is a pretty low bar to cross. You'd likely get the same effect from using any other VPN service, so it's not exactly evidence that cloudflare is running a "racket" with its worker product. The linked blog post even touts the fact it's free as an advantage. Rackets typically aren't free.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

#103

Post by ghjfrdghibt »

gruez wrote: post #100
ghjfrdghibt wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>Everyone should only be allowed to use windows and a chrome browser variant with no ad blocking. Cloudflare 100% should be allowed to arbitrarily block anyone not using this set up because they are suspicious. Seems like a slippery slope argument, but isn't reflective of reality. They still allow Tor browser to pass, of all things.

It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, I was using it to show the ridiculousness of blaming a user for the shortcomings of cloudflare.

But if you like: the arbitrarily blocked user if not at fault, cloudflare is at fault.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

#104

Post by idop »

Yes. I wrote about this on my blog six months ago [1].

CloudFlare has positioned itself as the doorman of the Internet, deciding who gets to visit shitty websites written by AIs and who doesn't. Every time I try to visit a website and get blocked by this company and its unnecessary services, I congratulate myself for avoiding yet another terrible website and move on with my life.

[1] https://ido50.net/content/what-chafes-my-groin-9.html

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

#105

Post by squigz »

idop wrote: post #104

Yes. I wrote about this on my blog six months ago [1]. CloudFlare has positioned itself as the doorman of the Internet, deciding who gets to visit shitty websites written by AIs and who doesn't. Every time I try to visit a website and get blocked by this company and its unnecessary services, I congratulate myself for avoiding yet another terrible website and move on with my life. [1] https://ido50.net/content/what-ch…

It seems a bit shortsighted to think that CloudFlare only does this for 'shitty websites written by AIs'

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

#106

Post by [deleted] »

ghjfrdghibt wrote: post #103
gruez wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Everyone should only be allowed to use windows and a chrome browser variant with no ad blocking. Cloudflare 100% should be allowed to arbitrarily block anyone not using this set up because they are suspicious. Seems like a slippery slope argument, but isn't reflective of reality. They still allow Tor browser to pass, of all things.

It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, I was using it to show the ridiculousness of blaming a user for the shortcomings of cloudflare. But if you like: the arbitrarily blocked user if not at fault, cloudflare is at fault.

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Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

#107

Post by gruez »

ghjfrdghibt wrote: post #103
gruez wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Everyone should only be allowed to use windows and a chrome browser variant with no ad blocking. Cloudflare 100% should be allowed to arbitrarily block anyone not using this set up because they are suspicious. Seems like a slippery slope argument, but isn't reflective of reality. They still allow Tor browser to pass, of all things.

It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, I was using it to show the ridiculousness of blaming a user for the shortcomings of cloudflare. But if you like: the arbitrarily blocked user if not at fault, cloudflare is at fault.

>I was using it to show the ridiculousness of blaming a user for the shortcomings of cloudflare.

That doesn't advance the conversation, or show that cloudflare should be always as fault, as you seem to imply. Even if people are pro privacy/freedom, I think most wouldn't give the individual (as opposed to the security provider) unlimited leeway, as seen in the bank example.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

#108

Post by idop »

squigz wrote: post #105
idop wrote: post #104

Yes. I wrote about this on my blog six months ago [1]. CloudFlare has positioned itself as the doorman of the Internet, deciding who gets to visit shitty websites written by AIs and who doesn't. Every time I try to visit a website and get blocked by this company and its unnecessary services, I congratulate myself for avoiding yet another terrible website and move on with my life. [1] https://ido50.net/content/what-ch…

It seems a bit shortsighted to think that CloudFlare only does this for 'shitty websites written by AIs'

I thought it was obvious I was being facetious.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

#109

Post by focusedone »

Exact same situation here. Linux, fairly funky firefox setup, eventually couldn't use half of the internet without hitting CF prompts, often wasn't able to get around them.

I wound up removing / reinstalling firefox...same exact setup otherwise. No more cloudflare (or vastly fewer) prompts. The internet is usable again.

Hope that helps.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

#110

Post by squigz »

idop wrote: post #108
squigz wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems a bit shortsighted to think that CloudFlare only does this for 'shitty websites written by AIs'

I thought it was obvious I was being facetious.

It wasn't to me, apologies.
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