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BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

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Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

#101

Post by roughly »

ryao wrote: post #96
galleywest200 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In regards to objects like the guitar listed in the quote, there is a draw to how a hand-crafted item can be _unique_ due to slight imperfections. This can range from just slight imperfections in the wood to things such as believing your guitar has a unique sound. Sure the factory guitar may sound "perfect", but the only guitar that sounds like this handmade guitar is this handmade guitar.

I would not consider that evidence for the items being better, but it does explain why some people are drawn to hand made items. I consider such items to be worse and not just because they are objectively worse. Items break and are lost. When you become emotionally attached to an object such as a unique imperfect guitar, you are guaranteed to have sorrow when it is lost (e.g. in a fire). In any case, the original pre…

> Items break and are lost. When you become emotionally attached to an object such as a unique imperfect guitar, you are guaranteed to have sorrow when it is lost (e.g. in a fire).

Life is loss. You can’t have sorrow without having experienced joy. Sorrow passes.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

#102

Post by SequoiaHope »

ryao wrote: post #86

> We all know that custom, hand-made, artisan-crafted, boutique tools are always better than something factory made. A guitar, a wood chisel, a chef's knife, a built racing engine, a firearm, a suit, a pair of shoes. Given that this is so well-known, and so universally understood, it's peculiar at best that this is not seen by most people when it comes to medicine. It is however also true. I have seen this sentiment…

> A factory can ensure precision and consistency at a level that those hand crafting things never could.

Idk, in the example "a built racecar engine" one could imagine that instead of running CNC machines all day long to make pistons, replacing tools for wear periodically, a machinist could take a brand new end mill, make some initial test cuts and validate the dimensions, then make the final part and look it all over with the CMM or other tools. You could, by paying extra attention to each part, make a more precise part than something being made on an assembly line where things are not double checked quite so meticulously, for basic efficiency reasons.

Like I assume that by the same definition of "hand made" as the racecar engine, we would consider NASA rovers to be hand made. And they are made to a very high precision. We could consider whether SpaceX Engines have ever been "hand made" and how the quality of those relates to production engines (tho in this case, production engines must have rigorous validation of basically every component I would imagine, so the factory perhaps meets or could even exceed hand production runs in quality).

But I would not say it needs to be a hard and fast rule.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

#104

Post by ryao »

roughly wrote: post #100
ryao wrote: post #86

> We all know that custom, hand-made, artisan-crafted, boutique tools are always better than something factory made. A guitar, a wood chisel, a chef's knife, a built racing engine, a firearm, a suit, a pair of shoes. Given that this is so well-known, and so universally understood, it's peculiar at best that this is not seen by most people when it comes to medicine. It is however also true. I have seen this sentiment…

High end automated processes can indeed hit extremely high tolerances, but that’s a trade-off on cost (give or take) and often not one the factory is making. I’m reminded of a story about GM, where the top execs would preview drive all the new models - except the ones that were given to the execs had been hand-tuned by engineers to fix the manufacturing slop, so the GM brass was convinced their cars were much better…

I am reminded of the following story:

https://www.1factory.com/quality-academy/forgotten-lessons.h...

Ford had transmissions produced in both the US and Japan, yet the Japanese made transmissions had 1/4 the repair frequency. Their engineers disassembled them to discover why. It turned out that they were both within spec, but the Japanese transmissions had been manufactured to tighter tolerances and had targeted ranges in the specification that resulted in a better fit and superior performance.

In this case, the factory had taken it upon itself to improve the design within the tolerances that Ford had specified. Tighter tolerances usually cost more, although economics of scale can bring the price down. Presumably that happened in the case of the Japanese factory. Otherwise, they would not have been able to produce the transmissions at the prices Ford paid them.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

#105

Post by jelling »

galleywest200 wrote: post #89
ryao wrote: post #86

> We all know that custom, hand-made, artisan-crafted, boutique tools are always better than something factory made. A guitar, a wood chisel, a chef's knife, a built racing engine, a firearm, a suit, a pair of shoes. Given that this is so well-known, and so universally understood, it's peculiar at best that this is not seen by most people when it comes to medicine. It is however also true. I have seen this sentiment…

In regards to objects like the guitar listed in the quote, there is a draw to how a hand-crafted item can be _unique_ due to slight imperfections. This can range from just slight imperfections in the wood to things such as believing your guitar has a unique sound. Sure the factory guitar may sound "perfect", but the only guitar that sounds like this handmade guitar is this handmade guitar.

Any guitarist that places outside of the house will have no problem inflicting enough damage on their guitar to make it unique.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

#106

Post by ryao »

roughly wrote: post #101
ryao wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not consider that evidence for the items being better, but it does explain why some people are drawn to hand made items. I consider such items to be worse and not just because they are objectively worse. Items break and are lost. When you become emotionally attached to an object such as a unique imperfect guitar, you are guaranteed to have sorrow when it is lost (e.g. in a fire). In any case, the original pre…

> Items break and are lost. When you become emotionally attached to an object such as a unique imperfect guitar, you are guaranteed to have sorrow when it is lost (e.g. in a fire). Life is loss. You can’t have sorrow without having experienced joy. Sorrow passes.

You can avoid this kind of loss by getting a guitar made from a long running factory line such that you can get an identical replacement.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

#107

Post by maeln »

Taken from the description:

> Governments have criminalized the practice of managing your own health. Despite the fact that for most of human history bodily autonomy, and self-managed health was the norm, it is now required that most aspects of your health must be mediated by an institution deputized by the state. Taking those rights back for yourself is then labeled "BioTerrorism". So be it. Let's learn how.

This is, in most country, false. You can absolutely decide on your own to mix up some chemical and then take it (you might just be held accountable for the result, i.e, not coverage from your health insurance). There is some exception related to the consumption of narcotics, but, what most law, not government (its an important distinction in a democracy), make illegal is the distribution (and the intent of) of drugs without the proper licence. And there is very, very good reasons for it. Drugs are no joke. Some ingredients needs to be very precisely dosed, at very low concentration, requiring special tooling and precaution, or you might reach a toxic dosage very, very quickly and kill someone (or permanently damage some organs). Then, there is the issue of quack doctor and quack medicine. While the current system is far from perfect (see: the opioid crisis in the US), it still give legal repercussion for people who sale snake oil, potentialy dangerous ones, and who prey on already often desperate victim.

The other thing is, the law also prevent buying some chemical without the proper licence. And again, there is usually good reasons for it. Either because they make it easy to synthetise drugs that society has judged detrimental (again, narcotics like meth, heroin, ...), or because they make explosives (wasn't it sulfuric acid that could turn a lot of stuff into energetics ?).

And for the most part, theses laws where written in blood. We can debate the specifics of their implementations (the war on drugs, the free access to birth control, how to allow for experimentation, ...), but the overall spirit of those laws is, I believe, sadly very needed in our current world.

Obviously there is also the patent issue, but it's a whole lot of debate in itself.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

#108

Post by roughly »

ryao wrote: post #106
roughly wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Items break and are lost. When you become emotionally attached to an object such as a unique imperfect guitar, you are guaranteed to have sorrow when it is lost (e.g. in a fire). Life is loss. You can’t have sorrow without having experienced joy. Sorrow passes.

You can avoid this kind of loss by getting a guitar made from a long running factory line such that you can get an identical replacement.

You can avoid a lot of joy that way, too.

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

#109

Post by ryao »

SequoiaHope wrote: post #102
ryao wrote: post #86

> We all know that custom, hand-made, artisan-crafted, boutique tools are always better than something factory made. A guitar, a wood chisel, a chef's knife, a built racing engine, a firearm, a suit, a pair of shoes. Given that this is so well-known, and so universally understood, it's peculiar at best that this is not seen by most people when it comes to medicine. It is however also true. I have seen this sentiment…

> A factory can ensure precision and consistency at a level that those hand crafting things never could. Idk, in the example "a built racecar engine" one could imagine that instead of running CNC machines all day long to make pistons, replacing tools for wear periodically, a machinist could take a brand new end mill, make some initial test cuts and validate the dimensions, then make the final part and look it all ove…

I suspect the original author’s use of “a built racing engine” was a bad example since there is no factory line for such things as they are too low volume. However, if we loosen the definition of racing engine to include hot rods, then I believe proven factory built designs are highly valued. To give one example:

> The 2JZ-GTE, which sits in the heart of the Supra, is one of the best inline-six out of Japan and easily tunable to 500+ Hp on stock internals.

https://www.drifted.com/1gz-fe/

Re: BioTerrorism Will Save Your Life with the 4 Thieves Vinegar Collective [video]

#110

Post by wilsonnb3 »

ryao wrote: post #106
roughly wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Items break and are lost. When you become emotionally attached to an object such as a unique imperfect guitar, you are guaranteed to have sorrow when it is lost (e.g. in a fire). Life is loss. You can’t have sorrow without having experienced joy. Sorrow passes.

You can avoid this kind of loss by getting a guitar made from a long running factory line such that you can get an identical replacement.

Guitars are manufactured from organic material. Even coming off of a factory line, no two guitars are identical because no two pieces of wood are identical.
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