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Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by tjogin »

lloeki wrote: post #90
tjogin wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An objective review is an oxymoron. All opinions are subjective by their very nature.

John Siracusa's reviews of Mac OS X are the kind of reviews I would consider the closer to "objective". The amount of technical and factual data he gives leaves much less room to subjectivity than say, this review.

I love John Siracusa's OS X reviews, but they too are subjective, like all reviews are. Saying a person's opinion is subjective is like saying he or she has a perspective. Everybody has a perspective, you can't escape yours.

A review cannot be more or less subjective, it can only be good or bad, which in turn, is also subjective. So consider that: the next time you call someone's review subjective, you are making a subjective review of that person's subjective review. But that's much better than calling someone's review "objective", because at least you're making sense.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by bengillies »

adrianm wrote: post #98
bengillies wrote: post #94

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I know I'm not supposed to feed trolls, but: > Android is inferior to iOS. > > But that's the point of Android. The point of Android is to be not as good as iOS? Really? That's the point of Android? Do you make the claim that all cars are rubbish just because some companies make rubbish cars? No. Different cars are different. Obviously. So it is with Android devices. If one Android device is on a par with the new iPa…

I actually don't think he's trolling, or at least not in the way you're interpreting. I could be wrong, but I think he just clumsily phrased his response. In other words, he was stating that the point of Android is to be a decentralized operating system. Individual deployments are not controlled by any one corporation, so there can be a lot of hit and misses. Therefore, I don't think he is making a general claim that…

You're probably correct but then, why judge the Android OS as a whole based on the fact that there are a few rubbish devices out that run it?

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by berntb »

tjogin wrote: post #69
cageface wrote: post #2

I have to give Siegler credit for actually posting an objective review of an Android device. No matter which side you favor in the tablet wars I think you have to agree that we're better off as hackers and consumers in a market with real competition. Rather than picking sides we should be happy that Apple and Google are pushing each other to improve their hardware and software at a rate we rarely see in consumer elec…

An objective review is an oxymoron. All opinions are subjective by their very nature.

That is like saying: Since we can't cool something to absolute 0 Kelvin, all termometers are valueless.

You have to look at how wrong things are, too..

If I wrote a review of a game in my favorite sport where my home team played, it would not be objective. And another review by me of a sport I don't care about, between teams I don't know, might not be objective either (if women play, one team might be better looking. Or whatever.).

But those reviews would not be EQUALLY subjective...

For another example, consider evolutional biology. Some people have a deep and emotional connection to the scientific model -- while some other people have emotional connections to political ideologies...

Sorry, but you pressed one of my buttons.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

bengillies wrote: post #102
adrianm wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually don't think he's trolling, or at least not in the way you're interpreting. I could be wrong, but I think he just clumsily phrased his response. In other words, he was stating that the point of Android is to be a decentralized operating system. Individual deployments are not controlled by any one corporation, so there can be a lot of hit and misses. Therefore, I don't think he is making a general claim that…

You're probably correct but then, why judge the Android OS as a whole based on the fact that there are a few rubbish devices out that run it?

Because some of those devices are cheap and sell (see the Kindle Fire as one example - massive sales, really not great - and yes I know it's a fork but it's still Android at it's heart).

Does that make Android crap? Obviously not but it does mean that there a hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who have that perception (and are right because for them it has been crap).

Excluding the crap ones is no more a representative picture of things than excluding the good ones would be. Android is the sum total of all devices running with all the good (huge numbers, some great devices out there) and bad (fragmentation and massive variation in quality) that that entails.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by hollerith »

ShellfishMeme wrote: post #68
r00fus wrote: post #17

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PDFs with images - ie, technical manuals or papers - still don't see it for a 7" screen. Reflow don't help much here.

The Nexus 7 has the same resolution that most 10" tablets have now, so why would you need reflow? Shouldn't everything look the same as on the current 10" tablets, just sharper? It might be because my eyes are still young, but I prefer smaller screens with a high pixel density to larger screens with a lower pixel density.

>It might be because my eyes are still young

It is because your eyes are still young.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

jessriedel wrote: post #42
bane wrote: post #12

As much as a I love the idea of a 7 inch tablet, there's just one thing that I really really use my tablet for and that's reading PDFs and old scanned comic books (guilty pleasure). The size of a ~10" tablet is more or less perfect for this despite the difficulties in handling the size of the device while in bed vs. a 7".

Do you ever take hand-written notes on PDFs? This is my killer-app, and I'm desperate to find a tablet that does it well.

uPad on the iPad works pretty well for me for this though having tried a few different apps I quickly became aware that individual workflows and requirements vary massively for the seemingly simple requirement "taking notes on pdfs".

http://www.appsafari.com/notes/16761/upad/

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by ben1040 »

nl wrote: post #50
alexbell wrote: post #30

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> I think almost all brand name tablets are on ICS now. I thought so too. Some are. Shockingly enough, I believe the Samsung tabs they gave out last year at I/O are still on 3.x. Tried to update my coworker's before heading to I/O with it and ended up with a newer version of Honeycomb. :/

According to http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=328795820483403 (which is the official Samsung channel) ICS should be on the following tablet devices now: GALAXY Tab 10.1, GALAXY Tab 8.9, GALAXY Tab 7.7 and GALAXY Tab 7.0 Plus. That's from December 2011, but sometimes there oddities in the rollout, especially with regional variants.

They said that then, yes. They have not, however, actually done the rollout, at least for the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Retail, or the I/O giveaway variant, for that matter.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by [deleted] »

berntb wrote: post #103
tjogin wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An objective review is an oxymoron. All opinions are subjective by their very nature.

That is like saying: Since we can't cool something to absolute 0 Kelvin, all termometers are valueless. You have to look at how wrong things are, too.. If I wrote a review of a game in my favorite sport where my home team played, it would not be objective. And another review by me of a sport I don't care about, between teams I don't know, might not be objective either (if women play, one team might be better looking.…

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Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by tjogin »

berntb wrote: post #103
tjogin wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An objective review is an oxymoron. All opinions are subjective by their very nature.

That is like saying: Since we can't cool something to absolute 0 Kelvin, all termometers are valueless. You have to look at how wrong things are, too.. If I wrote a review of a game in my favorite sport where my home team played, it would not be objective. And another review by me of a sport I don't care about, between teams I don't know, might not be objective either (if women play, one team might be better looking.…

> That is like saying: Since we can't cool something to absolute 0 Kelvin, all termometers are valueless.

No it's nothing like that at all. It's like saying it's better to acknowledge your perspective than to pretend you don't have one.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by _ea1k »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #97
vibrunazo wrote: post #60

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> iOS still kills Android for app availability though (especially when it comes to "tablet optimized" apps) I keep hearing that. But never seen it backed up. Based on exactly what does people say this? There's no efficient way to "count" Android tablet optimized apps. So how do you compare? Is it because there are some major apps that still works bad on Android tablets? If so, which ones? I remember when Honeycomb ju…

> could anyone please give me an objective argument I think it is really subjective and about the "long tail" of apps. If I say that OmniFocus locks me into the Appleverse, someone else will mention an Android-exclusive app and we'll (objectively ;)) discuss for hours. Carcassonne and Anthill may not have worthy Android ports, but I'm probably missing out on Google's best-in-class maps. The shopping experience may al…

> What do I do in the Play store if I know all the front page apps already (not hard)?

Click on the categories link on the left side, and then browse.

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