Didn’t the court order have a whole section about WP Engine covering the cost of providing the required services?
Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions
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#102> As you may have heard, I’m legally compelled to provide free labor and services to WP Engine thanks to the success of their expensive lawyers Didn’t the court order have a whole section about WP Engine covering the cost of providing the required services?
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69221176/64/wpengine-in...
> Defendants [Matt's side] counter that a bond of $1.6 million is appropriate. Opp. at 32. They assert that “the continued maintenance and operation of the Website incurs an estimated $800,000.00 in administrative, server and developer costs per year[,]” and that allowing WPEngine to access the developer resources of the Website permits WPEngine to benefit from the distribution of its products on the Website[,] which “carries with it a separate value.”
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>In reply, WPEngine argues that if the court is inclined to require a bond, “it should be a de minimus amount, not wordpress.org’s entire budget for two years.”
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> Under these circumstances, the Court finds that any harm to Defendants resulting from the issuance of preliminary injunctive relief is unlikely, as it merely requires them to revert to business as usual as of September 20, 2024. Accordingly, the Court declines to require WPEngine to post a bond.
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#103Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions
#104This is just a play to pretend that WordPress.org is run by volunteers when in truth it's entirely run by Automattic. If it was actually ran by volunteers, he couldn't make any of it stop... because people volunteer their time without being told what to do. I can't wait for him to lose millions of dollars for a hissy fit. It's going to be delicious.
While I agree with your overall conclusion... > If it was actually ran by volunteers, he couldn't make any of it stop... because people volunteer their time without being told what to do. ...this doesn't really follow. Just because someone is a volunteer for an organization doesn't mean the people at the head of that organization have no control over what they do. As a library volunteer, for instance, I can't just ta…
Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions
#105> As you may have heard, I’m legally compelled to provide free labor and services to WP Engine thanks to the success of their expensive lawyers, so in order to avoid bothering the court I will say that none of the above applies to WP Engine, so if they need to bypass any of the above please just have your high-priced attorneys talk to my high-priced attorneys and we’ll arrange access, or just reach out directly to me…
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't need that much better lawyer to begin with. You just can't come out an say straight up "I'm doing this specifically to screw company X", which is what Matt did, essentially. Eg Apple is kinda screwing with Spotify and claim it's their general rules, and it's a long complicated case. But if Apple came out and said "yeah, we do this specifically because we don't like Spotify and to hurt them in particular",…
That is a much better description than practically every other take I have seen on this issue. The legal issue is not about removing access, pulling the rug, or changing policy. It is all about the intention and making public statements. If they wanted to legally stop WPE from accessing their servers then adding a policy to the effect of limiting how much traffic a single company is allowed to do without a explicit c…
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Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions
#107I run a WordPress agency and I'm absolutely horrified by all of this. It's not cutting through to our clients yet, but building on WordPress suddenly feels incredibly risky when one person can throw their toys out of the pram - the pineapple checkbox is just fucking ridiculous - and derail an entire ecosystem. I really wish there was some kind of mechanism to cut Matt entirely out of WordPress because he deserves to…
Planning to set up a new customer-facing website next year, and there is 0.0% chance that it will be based on WordPress, even though several of our existing websites are WP.
Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except the injunction was against .com, not the .org Part of the case is that he is muddying the water on purpose and the separation in two entities is fake, and actions like this may backfire in a big way (and I'm not even talking about the taxes aspect of it at the end). Again, I doubt any lawyer with any once of competency validated this move, let alone write it publicly like this that it's because of the legal ca…
> Except the injunction was against .com, not the .org Against .com (Automattic) and .org (Mullenweg as an individual) > Part of the case is that he is muddying the water on purpose and the separation in two entities Three, actually: WordPress Foundation, Automattic Inc., and Matt Mullenweg (as an individual)
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because no the court did not order any such thing. I'm confused why you think it did. That was a lie. I'm not confused. It's just that the obvious explaination is not flattering.
The court order is at [1]. On page 41 and 42 it orders WP Engine's access to wordpress.org services to be reinstated to what it was on September 20, including all that entails. Thus he is now legally compelled to provide the wordpress.org services to WP Engine. He also provides those services to everyone else and used to provide them to WP Engine, but that doesn't make the statement false. [1]: https://www.documentcl…
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, and as a result of that public shaming effort Automattic increased their contributions to the PHP Foundation by 2.5x: https://x.com/ThePHPF/status/1853390265429508427
$250k is a respectable amount, but shouldn't it be based on a percentage of their revenue? /s