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Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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I think that you would still end up with the inferior battery life of 4G. That was the killer feature of those phones. Our technology seems to have degraded in that regard over the years.

4G drain faster our batteries but we also now download multiple orders of magnitude more data than we used to with the 5110 (I count voice call as "data"). Videos and advertisements being the usual suspects…

Battery would probably last a lot more if I only play snakes and use the phone app.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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> The Nokia 5110 is a 2G telephone, meaning it uses the original 2G mobile network to communicate. This network has long been decommissioned in most western countries, including Australia. In Europe, 3G is shutting down, but 2G as a fallback seems to be staying for years to come. > However, 2G networks were still available as of 2023 in most parts of the world, while notably excluding the majority of carriers in Nort…

I am forever horrified when my 5G phone, which at my house already only gets 4G at best (the politics of cell towers in Southern England is just a sad sad story) drops now to 2G!!! Dropping a modern smartphone to 2G is like basically saying "no network". The only things I use it for are unusable. I rarely make calls. I rarely send SMS. Vodafone dropped 3G, O2 will drop it early next year and the others some time soonish too. Using a smart phone in a rural area now kind of feels like going back to 2007 if I am going to be honest.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Sound incredible ! I like the word "simply" in this sentence > i will simply be able to recreate the baseboard with the new 4G module, a microcontroller, and some audio processing and power management circuitry and it will be able to seamlessly fit inside the phone. Seems like a bigger project than the author would let us think ! But I hope to see the PCB soon !

Well, I wouldn't call it trivial, but it's not completely outlandish idea. There is prior art in this Ringo kit, which does almost 90% of what's required here: https://github.com/CircuitMess/CircuitMess-Ringo

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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I was hoping to find a part 2, but since part 1 was written over 2 years ago I guess there's not much chance of that...

> "Thanks mostly to the phones age, interfacing with the UI board will be rather trivial" I guess part 2 was left as an exercise for the reader.

Not that difficult, DIY dumbphones are mostly case, buttons, display, etc.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190827183214/http://alumni.med...

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Pro tip: don't buy the new versions "Nokia 3210 2024" and similar models. I did, two times, with slightly different models, and they are of exceptionally poor quality: dead after one year, very buggy firmware. The customer support is an AI with no real answer. They recommended to install an app "from the Google Play app store" which is nonsense for a dumbphone. They are very cheap noname phones, branded with the name…

I tried a Nokia-in-name-only modern dumbphone (a compact one without the retro styling), and it did what I needed, which was mainly SMS 2FA. Until a manager for a tempting job wanted to do the first call on the phone. The call quality was so bad, it bombed the interview for me. So I kissed my privacy goodbye, and bought an iPhone. (I've since switched to a GrapheneOS phone, which works well, with less violating.)

What about a dumb phone ensure that call quality is terrible? Could you not have found a better dumbphone if you really wanted to stay with it?

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are very cheap noname phones, branded with the name Nokia I thought only HMD [0] had the right to put the Nokia brand on a phone, and had several former Nokia executives in their leadership able to validate whether a device is "worthy" of that brand. Which made sense since Nokia as a company and brand still exist albeit in a different field, and junk branded with this name can tarnish the image. Edit. I see HM…

Corporate quality standards only work if a company is MBA-proof. Something no western company can withstand. Sooner or later, a financial genius will point out the margins that can be made on white label products and it snowballs.

I'm curious what would need to change to fix this? Because enshittification has become so ubiquitous and terrible that it's in the dictionary now. Is it regulation? Antitrust? Obliterate every board and private equity firm? There must be an actionable set of steps out of this because we had to have stepped into it somehow

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Given the lack of a Part 2, I'm guessing some of the optimism in the article about how easy it would be was misplaced. I know very little about this stuff but presumably he would need to write some code for the SIM7600SA that would allow it to interface seamlessly with the UI board, which sounds far from trivial (unless maybe the UI board is very well documented)?

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried a Nokia-in-name-only modern dumbphone (a compact one without the retro styling), and it did what I needed, which was mainly SMS 2FA. Until a manager for a tempting job wanted to do the first call on the phone. The call quality was so bad, it bombed the interview for me. So I kissed my privacy goodbye, and bought an iPhone. (I've since switched to a GrapheneOS phone, which works well, with less violating.)

What about a dumb phone ensure that call quality is terrible? Could you not have found a better dumbphone if you really wanted to stay with it?

I spent some time looking. There were some pricey "designer" ones, but they generally got poor reviews. Maybe it's easier to do a design-school exercise, than to get the phone guts engineering right. Also, mandatory VoLTE eliminated a lot of high-quality legacy devices that would've worked fine.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Thanks mostly to the phones age, interfacing with the UI board will be rather trivial" I guess part 2 was left as an exercise for the reader.

Not that difficult, DIY dumbphones are mostly case, buttons, display, etc. https://web.archive.org/web/20190827183214/http://alumni.med...

And a proprietary blob for actually communicating with the tower.
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