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Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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Just jumping on this to say: I had chronic lower back and wrist pain for a long time. Had the whole ergonomic setup. Adjustable desk, Kinesis keyboard, vertical mice, etc. What fixed me was starting to squat. Took like 3 weeks of squatting and I haven't had back or wrist pain since (it's been 10+ years). Now I just use the standard (and very nonergonomic) Apple keyboard and mouse.

Any theory to why squatting would help wrists, isn’t the weight born by shoulders?

It was actually air squats that solved it for me, though I did start doing compound lifts with a barbell shortly afterwards.

Two hypotheses:

1. I was just incredibly weak due to being sedentary and even a tiny amount of strength training released enough “get stronger” juice to my system that other muscles also got stronger.

2. Pain is a complex phenomena that relies on our bodies being properly calibrated and lack of any kind of strenuous activity mis-calibrated my pain system.

I’m more inclined toward hypothesis 2. Further life experience has led me to believe that our physical and psychological systems are very much dependent on existing in a specific, narrow milieu to function properly.

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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Any theory to why squatting would help wrists, isn’t the weight born by shoulders?

Even though the weight is carried by the shoulders, you are still stabilising with the wrists, and working on some arm flexibility that isn't much exercised in other contexts

See my response. It was actually air squats, not barbell squats, so couldn’t have been this. Though my hunch is that weighted squats would work better, due to the mechanism you outline.

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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Does TSA give you a hard time when they see that rig pop up on the X-ray?

I have a similar setup. Corne keyboard, trackball mouse, portable laptop stand. Never had an issue with TSA. I don't even bother taking the keyboard out of my bag since each half is roughly the size of a cell phone

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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Not the commenter, but AFAIK, people with some condition might have to put significantly more effort, at least at the beginning, to get equivalent result. The typical case would be for overweight/obese people. While mobility and strength always help, it won't counter balance all the strain that the extra weight put on your body. It will be more efficient to focus on getting lean first, and then focusing on strength/m…

a little regular exercise helps with weight loss, at least in anecdotal stuff. not that you can burn away a bad diet with exercise but the cardio and exertion help with the stress of dieting (lots of nice endorphins in a runners high!) and seem to aid metabolism a little. doing a half hour at the gym 5 nights a week was like half of my weight loss routine basically.

AIUI there are two other factors that are important with strength training and weight loss:

- Increased muscle mass raises your BMR, enabling the same weight loss rate at a higher caloric intake

- Strength training combats your body's tendency to burn muscle as well as fat when in a calorie deficit, focusing the weight loss on the body component you want to get rid of (the fat).

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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All of these so-called solutions are a waste of time and largely just adding a ridiculous amount of complexity to what is a very simple problem.

Context: I worked a number of years in the special effects (movies) world. I supported hundreds of graphics artists working in dark rooms 16 hours a day. Think movies like Independence Day, Star Wars, etc. Dozens of artists wore all kinds of wrist braces all day. They also had just-about every single crazy ergonomic keyboard you could possibly imagine, including various forms of split, slanted, cavity, whatever. And, of course, the fanciest adjustable chairs and tables. I remember a couple of the guys working on Independence Day having to have surgery on their wrists. Crazy. Just nuts.

Do you know who did not suffer from these injuries? Without fail, anyone who was actively involved in sports or physical training (going to the gym, lifting, swimming, etc.) AND took regular breaks.

In my own case, having seen just how bad things could get, once I started to feel soreness on my wrists I took matters into my own hands. I use the flattest possible keyboards and a thumb-operated trackball. I designed and made my own desk to guarantee proper arm and wrist ergonomics.

Laptops, for the most part, are evil. They force the wrist into a bad configuration. Not good for prolonged work if you care about your health.

Aside from that, take breaks and lift weights. Amazing things happen when you squat, deadlift, bench and shoulder press on a regular program (I recommend Starting Strength).

The vast majority of the crazy ergo setups out there are a waste of time. They do not address the root cause, which is treating your body like we are robots. We are not. We need moderation, rest and exercise. That's the solution or, at the very least, the way to mitigate and prevent injury.

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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OP, you have a comment there about mouse support in the Keyboardio. I've been using a Keyboardio since 2019 and haven't much tried the mouse support -- any advice? How did you set it up?

Not OP, but I have a Model 100 and I just assigned mouse keys in Chrysallis. It used to be the case that you had to build your firmware to change the speed, but now that's possible through Chrysallis too.

I don't use them very often because I don't mind using a trackpad, but it is useful sometimes.

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

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All of these so-called solutions are a waste of time and largely just adding a ridiculous amount of complexity to what is a very simple problem. Context: I worked a number of years in the special effects (movies) world. I supported hundreds of graphics artists working in dark rooms 16 hours a day. Think movies like Independence Day, Star Wars, etc. Dozens of artists wore all kinds of wrist braces all day. They also h…

I agree completely with you regarding not treating our bodies as if we're robots. About a year ago I began lifting weights again, something I hadn't done in more than 20 years, and the difference is amazing.

I used to have very frequent pain episodes that would severely affect my ability to type on a keyboard, and now they are almost completely gone (and when I do get them, it's nowhere near as severe as it used to be).

That said, I still have a Model 100 (as the one depicted in the older pictures in the post) and the ergonomics are IMHO worth it, at least compared to some of the keyboards available, but in particular to builtin laptop keyboards (as you mention, everything is bad about laptops and I treat mine like a very portable desktop: if I need to be on the move, I take my keyboard and trackpad and use the laptop as a small display).

On top of that, the fact that it's programmable turned out to be much better than I had thought. My workflow is heavily customized now and I'm objectively a lot faster than I used to be before. The layers system on this keyboard takes a bit of getting used to (as does the layout itself) but, at least for me, once I got through the learning curve, it's so good I'm going to buy another one to have as a spare.

Re: Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

#110

Moving that coffee machine out of the room will do much more for the OP's body than any keyboard, screen or trackball setup change.

She addresses that, actually... https://www.ntietz.com/blog/decaf-is-good-actually/

My point was more about the location of the machine. Having to do a quick pause and walk to your kitchen to prepare a cup of coffee, tee or whatever once in a while is not a bad thing for ypur body.
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