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Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by kstenerud »

tsukurimashou wrote: post #92
pjmlp wrote: post #54

As someone that started in computing when affordable computing was all about keyboard, and mices only existed in computers with prices similar to buying a car or a mortgage, I don't get the hype of keyboard == hacker mentality. Specially since that on my hacker circle of Demoscene, during the 16 bit days, we were mostly on Atari and Amiga systems, then we had plenty of mouse time, and no one ever stop to wonder we we…

its a productivity thing, would you rather type text with a physical keyboard or would you rather use a virtual keyboard and mouse? you can miss more easily with a mouse and have to adjust the position of the cursor to line up on two axis before any action

That's a false dichotomy. I'd rather have a physical keyboard and a physical mouse (or touchpad).

The "line up the two axis" thing is immaterial, and has no practical impact on actual productivity.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by matt_trentini »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #30

> Instantly switch between your tabs [...] Easily find relevant tabs with a fuzzy search I personally use virtual desktops for organizing windows of tabs, but if I was one of the masochists who had 100+ open tabs, I would be moving to this immediately

I am one of those masochists frequently with 200+ tabs open and Firefox does an excellent job managing them.

Prefix a query with '%' to search only within open tabs.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by shiomiru »

pjmlp wrote: post #54

As someone that started in computing when affordable computing was all about keyboard, and mices only existed in computers with prices similar to buying a car or a mortgage, I don't get the hype of keyboard == hacker mentality. Specially since that on my hacker circle of Demoscene, during the 16 bit days, we were mostly on Atari and Amiga systems, then we had plenty of mouse time, and no one ever stop to wonder we we…

For best ergonomics, both should be well supported.

If I'm programming and want to look up something in the docs, then it's annoying to switch to the mouse and then back, but I pretty much have to with traditional browser UI. (Or tab through a million links to find the right button to click, use cursor keys to scroll, etc.)

Similarly, if I'm just scrolling around with the mouse, then I should be able to do everything that I can with the keyboard (apart from text input). The context menu is good for discoverability, but being context-dependent makes it impossible to rely on muscle memory.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by kstenerud »

ucosty wrote: post #97
wkat4242 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't get the hype of keyboard == hacker mentality. It's all about investing a little time to learn something that dramatically speeds up your workflow. A mainstream user has no interest in this even if they work with the computer all day. Hackers as computer enthusiasts do. When you worked on those early computers you either had to be an enthusiast or be forced by an employer to use them :) GUIs are great for in…

We're talking about a web browser, right? What workflow?

It's an elitism thing. Notice the terminology "investing time to dramatically speed up workflow". This is the mantra that the keyboard-only adherents have latched onto, and extend to EVERYTHING, including things that are perfectly serviced via mouse control, or don't even need speeding up.

Arguing with them is like arguing with audiophiles.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by anonzzzies »

ucosty wrote: post #97
wkat4242 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't get the hype of keyboard == hacker mentality. It's all about investing a little time to learn something that dramatically speeds up your workflow. A mainstream user has no interest in this even if they work with the computer all day. Hackers as computer enthusiasts do. When you worked on those early computers you either had to be an enthusiast or be forced by an employer to use them :) GUIs are great for in…

We're talking about a web browser, right? What workflow?

You use the browser only to browse? We have all kinds of, usually quite shitty, web apps all types of LoB, ERP, etc. There is a lot of workflow to improve on.

Not necessarily with Nyxt or keyboard of course.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by anonzzzies »

kstenerud wrote: post #104
ucosty wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about a web browser, right? What workflow?

It's an elitism thing. Notice the terminology "investing time to dramatically speed up workflow". This is the mantra that the keyboard-only adherents have latched onto, and extend to EVERYTHING, including things that are perfectly serviced via mouse control, or don't even need speeding up. Arguing with them is like arguing with audiophiles.

Not sure why arguing is needed? You like a mouse, I think it sucks. If we meet up, we can trivially measure what is faster. What is there to argue?

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by anonzzzies »

lll-o-lll wrote: post #56
pjmlp wrote: post #54

As someone that started in computing when affordable computing was all about keyboard, and mices only existed in computers with prices similar to buying a car or a mortgage, I don't get the hype of keyboard == hacker mentality. Specially since that on my hacker circle of Demoscene, during the 16 bit days, we were mostly on Atari and Amiga systems, then we had plenty of mouse time, and no one ever stop to wonder we we…

Even outside of the “hacker” community, keyboard has always been associated with higher expertise. Average “MS Word” user - Navigate through various menus to find what they want to do. Power Users - Memorized all the “shortcuts”. I think that’s mostly what it is. A keyboard (and a bunch of memorizing), gives mastery over the applications UI.

I still miss Wordperfect for that reason: messing around with Word wysiwyg, even with people who have decades of experience, is just painful to watch or do.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by sylware »

A hacker browser is either:

- an headless big tech engine (blink|webkit|geeko) with AI bots strapped to a virtual mouse and virtual keyboard, probably installed on compromised systems, and remotely controlled.

- a real everyday hacker browser, namely certainly not with a c++ big tech engine (blink|webkit|geeko), but along the line of a simple no-gc computer language which does not require an insane compiler (excluding de-facto c++,java,rust,etc). Ofc, they will have to piggy back the planned obsolescence of Big Tech browsers and shadowy permanent compatibility breaking of Big Tech with their engine (don't forget big tech wants to make you dependent on their own complexity, not anything else).

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Post by anonzzzies »

patrickkidger wrote: post #23

So why this over qutebrowser [1] ? (Which has been my go-to keyboard-first browser for a long time.) This isn't mentioned in the FAQ despite I think being the natural comparison. [1] https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser

For me; CL/SBCL. It is more fun for me.
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