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Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by mschoch »

potato3732842 wrote: post #82
woodruffw wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I suppose it could happen in that case. There's no public evidence of any such occurrence, however; most of the city's truck traffic is big companies, and I don't see why any driver would risk prison time to stave off an idling ticket that Amazon, etc. is just going to negotiate down in court anyways.

You live in different worlds. Pretty much everyone who depends on small business in NYC hates the government and law enforcement of NYC and sees them as revenuers (Louis Rossman covers this in detail on his youtube channel, to mention someone who's respected here on HN). The idea that someone would help them for a cut is incredibly disgusting to most people who live in this world. It's incredibly foreseeable that som…

Does everyone in NYC live as scared as you?

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by MarkSweep »

mistrial9 wrote: post #22

in other recent news, the Alameda County Transit system has enabled "AI" cameras on busses, that will auto-generate violations for civilian vehicles in the bus stop, in the new fast transit dedicated lanes, and who knows where else. In previous times, Alameda County special officers would issue $500 tickets for letting a passenger out of a private vehicle within a bus stop area. In case you don't know, the bus stops…

Just don’t park in a bus stop. It’s not that hard. We have so many parking spaces dedicated for vehicles there is no excuse in Alameda County.

Other comments in this thread complain about the difficulty of finding a legal place to drop people off at a BART station. That has not been my experience: the three Alameda county BART stations I’m most familiar with (Hayward, Fremont, and Warm Springs) all have passenger drop off zones and giant parking lots.

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by loa_in_ »

potato3732842 wrote: post #65
jeffbee wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing how mechanized scofflaws believe they are uniquely above the law, and that dodging law enforcement is a personal victory. I think it's a sad commentary on the deterioration of public behavior in America (and this is almost exclusively an American thing ... in Germany a lifted Jeep would be seized and destroyed on its first day on the road.)

>It's amazing how mechanized scofflaws believe they are uniquely above the law, and that dodging law enforcement is a personal victory. I think it's a sad commentary on the deterioration of public behavior in America (and this is almost exclusively an American thing ... in Germany a lifted Jeep would be seized and destroyed on its first day on the road.) Don't be obtuse. It's not about the mechanization. It's about t…

The old letter-of-the-law vs intent of the same. If you never met the person who set the intent in place, you only have the letter.

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by ninalanyon »

Sure the cameras don't issue the fines? But even if they do it's actually a human or a group of humans who are responsible regardless of the actual workflow.

Describing it as if the AI is responsible is both clickbait and tends to absolve the humans involved. Allowing the MTA to frame it in this way is a failure of journalism.

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by trogdor »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #90
bobthepanda wrote: post #46

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the point of the cameras, to some degree, is to make the common violations stop happening. you don't really have a right to pull over anywhere you want in 'a busy downtown area'.

That's true, though I would argue that, especially around regional transit hubs, at least some number of parking spaces should be converted to pickup/drop-off spaces (3/5/10 minute parking). It's inane how hard it is to find a legal place to drop people off at some BART stations, and surely it's worth sacrificing some small number of parking spots for?

>It's inane how hard it is to find a legal place to drop people off at some BART stations

Can’t you drop a passenger off at a fire hydrant?

“CHAPTER 9. Stopping, Standing, and Parking

22514

No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle within 15 feet of a fire hydrant except as follows:

(a) If the vehicle is attended by a licensed driver who is seated in the front seat and who can immediately move such vehicle in case of necessity.”

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by markemer »

akira2501 wrote: post #52
mrgoldenbrown wrote: post #51

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The bus lanes are not useless, they have measurably improved commutes, and parking in them is in fact illegal, so why the air quotes?

> they have measurably improved commutes By how much? 1%, 5%... or? It's measured so what's the measurement? > and parking in them is in fact illegal And all you have to prove this is a snapshot. Which are not accurate and is the basis for the entire thread here. And people who didn't commit any crime have been charged. So there is clearly an open question as to how many of these pictures appear to be illegal versus…

They meant scare quotes.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scare%20quotes

While they may be “quotes” of stuff from the original (which that technically was) the intent was clear.

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by jeffbee »

loa_in_ wrote: post #104
potato3732842 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's amazing how mechanized scofflaws believe they are uniquely above the law, and that dodging law enforcement is a personal victory. I think it's a sad commentary on the deterioration of public behavior in America (and this is almost exclusively an American thing ... in Germany a lifted Jeep would be seized and destroyed on its first day on the road.) Don't be obtuse. It's not about the mechanization. It's about t…

The old letter-of-the-law vs intent of the same. If you never met the person who set the intent in place, you only have the letter.

Absolutely nobody is confused about the intent of bumper height limits.

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by BobaFloutist »

trogdor wrote: post #106
BobaFloutist wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true, though I would argue that, especially around regional transit hubs, at least some number of parking spaces should be converted to pickup/drop-off spaces (3/5/10 minute parking). It's inane how hard it is to find a legal place to drop people off at some BART stations, and surely it's worth sacrificing some small number of parking spots for?

>It's inane how hard it is to find a legal place to drop people off at some BART stations Can’t you drop a passenger off at a fire hydrant? “CHAPTER 9. Stopping, Standing, and Parking 22514 No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle within 15 feet of a fire hydrant except as follows: (a) If the vehicle is attended by a licensed driver who is seated in the front seat and who can immediately move such ve…

Huh TIL

Re: MTA's A.I. bus cameras issue mistaken parking violations

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Post by FireBeyond »

dpkirchner wrote: post #98
potato3732842 wrote: post #56

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Frankly I think that's bullshit. If it's not worth paying for the trial for it's not worth prosecuting as criminal.

Agreed, and I'd go further than that: we shouldn't be charging prisoners "rent" or for food or whatever. If it's important enough to imprison someone then we the taxpayers should cover the cost.

Wait til you find out that even if charges are dismissed against you, or a not guilty finding occurs, that Florida will still charge you for your jail or prison stay (and potentially block you from renewing your license until they are paid or you're on an arrangement you are complying with).
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