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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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I'm not familiar with the situation but reading the article, this sounds very similar to Netanyahu in Isreal, using the excuse of the opposition to stay in power.

> this sounds very similar to Netanyahu in Isreal, using the excuse of the opposition to stay in power

Not comparable. This is a coup d'etat. Netanyahu is a corrupt politician; President Yoon is attempting to rise above politics.

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>Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. It's not a prediction when it's history. That has been going on at least as long as the Roman Empire, yet people are still surprised it's happening today. Modern regimes didn't invent these schemes, they're reusing tried and tested methods because they're known to…

And it’s always the others who are doing it. Our government would never. I mean, they did, but that was at least… dozens of years ago. And got forcibly declassified. They would never today. I guess. :-)

It's been at least one dozen years ago since the last time it happened.

No one from that period is still in the exact same position as when it happened - some of them were promoted.

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Can someone familiar with South Korean politics give us some context for what is happening here?

1. Very low trust in politicians after it was revealed former president Park Geun-hye was secretly a crypto-Christian cult member despite claiming to be atheist. 2. South Korea has a bizarre large-scale "gender war" going on that extents into mainstream society. Imagine the Western online MRA/redpill/incel vs. radfem circles but as core identities in national politics. For some reason a high-trust society has decided…

> Imagine the Western online MRA/redpill/incel vs. radfem circles but as core identities in national politics.

I have zero idea about SK, but ... "woke vs not woke" has become very much a core identity part in Western politics. The last US election has proven that, and what's going on here in Germany especially with Markus Söder isn't funny any more either [1], we got elections looming in about three months.

[1] https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2024-11/markus-soede...

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Yes See the following: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capi...

That doesn't answer the actual question of relationship between Trump and Russia.

Oh that's valid, the actual answer is that it's a continued pattern of behavior since 2015.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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a quick internet search reveals this refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising

Interesting, I don't remember learning or hearing about this one. > While the South Korean government claimed 165 people were killed in the massacre, scholarship on the massacre today estimates 600 to 2,300 victims. Just for the sake of it, compared it to the widely known chinese tiananmen square massacre, albeit this one has widely varying figures on wikipedia: > The Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 dea…

South Korea stopped murdering their citizens for expressing themselves. China didn’t

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. It's not a prediction when it's history. That has been going on at least as long as the Roman Empire, yet people are still surprised it's happening today. Modern regimes didn't invent these schemes, they're reusing tried and tested methods because they're known to…

And it’s always the others who are doing it. Our government would never. I mean, they did, but that was at least… dozens of years ago. And got forcibly declassified. They would never today. I guess. :-)

I am sorry I lack context. Which government took over dozens of years ago? And what got forcibly declassified? Thanks.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Article 77 of the Korean Constitution:

"1. When it is required to cope with a military necessity or to maintain the public safety and order by mobilization of the military forces in time of war, armed conict or similar national emergency, the President may proclaim martial law as prescribed by law.

2. Martial law shall be of two types, extraordinary martial law and precautionary martial law.

3. Under extraordinary martial law, special measures may be taken with respect to the necessity for warrants, freedom of speech, the press, assembly and association, or the powers of the Executive and the Judiciary as prescribed by law.

4. When the President has proclaimed martial law, he shall notify the National Assembly without delay.

5. When the National Assembly requests the lifting of martial law with the concurrent vote of a majority of the total members of the National Assembly, the President shall comply."

https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Republic_of_K... page 16

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

#108

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Ask me in 200 years when I can look back in history and see how this turned out. It could be either, or just another case of something happening that didn't mean anything long term. Only time will tell. Of course in 200 years we will both be dead so you can't actually ask. Depending on how long you live you might be able to look back and state something conclusive. However nothing should be stated at all for 10 years…

-zhou enlai

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It has amply been reported in the media citing high government officials (from several different governments) who have access to classified information and rights to declassify things like this to the media.

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