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Re: Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

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Has anyone here self-taught themselves math in later life? I studied up to A level (aged 19) but honestly started hating math aged 16 after previously loving it. It’s a big regret of mine that I fell out of love with it. I self taught myself coding and Spanish and much enjoy self study if I can find the right material. Any suggestions?

Check out Susan Rigetti's guide: https://www.susanrigetti.com/math

Re: Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

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I agree with the sentiment of this. I think our obsession with innate mathematical skill and genius is so detrimental to the growth mindset that you need to have in order to learn things. I've been working a lot on my math skills lately (as an adult). A mindset I've had in the past is that "if it's hard, then that means you've hit your ceiling and you're wasting your time." But really, the opposite is true. If it's e…

> I agree with the sentiment of this. I think our obsession with innate mathematical skill and genius is so detrimental to the growth mindset that you need to have in order to learn things. I would argue something different. The "skill" angle is just thinly veiled ladder-pulling. Sure, math is hard work, and there's a degree of prerequisites that need to be met to have things click, but to the mindset embodied by the…

I saw a lot of this when I went to college for engineering, some professors had this ability (or willingness) to make hard things simple, and others did the opposite, it was the same with the books, I dreaded the "exercise for the reader" shit, I don't think I ever did any of those, so those were all proofs I never got.

Re: Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

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As a kid I was also terrible at maths, then later became obsessed with it as an adult because I didn't understand it, just like OP. It was the (second) best thing I've ever done! The world becomes a lot more interesting.

I haven't been able to grasp maths as a kid nor as an adult. I've tried night classes, tutors, activities. Nothing sticks. Even the standard 12x tables I struggle at. I want to understand it but my brain just can't understand the non-practicality side of things.

My best friend was like that. Couldn't see the practicality until he got bit by a geology and water science bug. He went from calling me to get help figuring out percentages to doing chemistry equations in his head because he "got" the applicability.

My brother's mom tutors math. One of her insights with a former student was that they were in need of forming some number sense. She started by walking them both out to the street: "how many tires are there on this street of parked cars?" The student, already flummoxed, started panic guessing. So she started with counting.

For times tables, have you developed any intuition around it? For me, times tables are rectangles composed of unit squares and that helps with my intuition. Modern Common Core standards in the US focuses a lot on exposing different mental models to students. And after seeing the same 4x6 enough times your brain will automatically associate that with its solution. Instead of calculating, it is memorized.

My brain doesn't require car tires, geology, or other practical needs: it likes puzzles. I struggle with medical stuff and I can feel my brain switching to meh-mode and hardly anything sticks. I don't know how many times I have been told about the different kinds of sugar and how your body uses that energy and I would still have to look it up.

Re: Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

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Has anyone here self-taught themselves math in later life? I studied up to A level (aged 19) but honestly started hating math aged 16 after previously loving it. It’s a big regret of mine that I fell out of love with it. I self taught myself coding and Spanish and much enjoy self study if I can find the right material. Any suggestions?

I was the same In high school.

2 weeks ago I hired a professor to help me learn math again so I can attend University computer science.

I can tell you, you can and should.

I'm totally addicted to math, I work as a programmer once I finish my work for the day I spend all my free time learning math again.

I'm still going over the very basics like 9 th grade stuff but I can see already it's going to go fine! I'm enjoying it so much!

Re: Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

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> a side effect of experiencing the world differently A side effect for which there is a substantial, lifelong, and most importantly wide cost, even if it occasionally confers usually small, usually fleeting, and most importantly narrow advantage.

At such cost with such narrow advantage, why has it persisted so pervasively? I would counter that the advantage is wider and the cost narrower than your current value system is allowing you to accept.

Natural selection doesn't care about cost or advantage, only reproduction.

Re: Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

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I agree with the sentiment of this. I think our obsession with innate mathematical skill and genius is so detrimental to the growth mindset that you need to have in order to learn things. I've been working a lot on my math skills lately (as an adult). A mindset I've had in the past is that "if it's hard, then that means you've hit your ceiling and you're wasting your time." But really, the opposite is true. If it's e…

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> ...my family kept pressuring me to attain real success, girls, money and car and i became a programmer.

As a child of the 80s and 90s, "getting girls as a programmer" made me snort. Nerds do seem to have it a bit better now; the money/financial security of software development helps. But as a whole, we developers are still less socially capable than our sales/hr/marketing counterparts

Re: Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

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It sounds like trivial insight, but at least in my experience many adults and even teachers have this "it's hard so it's ok to not want to do it" attitude towards math. And I think that is very detrimental.

Well, isn't that a summary of most things? Most things worth learning are hard, but many things not worth learning are also hard. So we have to prioritize what hard things are worth learning. Math is low on the list for many people for (I think) understandable reasons.

What I meant was I think it's detrimental to be priming the kids with a negative view, or nurturing any negative views.

Re: Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

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Has anyone here self-taught themselves math in later life? I studied up to A level (aged 19) but honestly started hating math aged 16 after previously loving it. It’s a big regret of mine that I fell out of love with it. I self taught myself coding and Spanish and much enjoy self study if I can find the right material. Any suggestions?

List of good books, sorted by difficulty:

- Maths: A Student's Survival Guide (ISBN-13 978-0521017077)

- Review Text in Preliminary Mathematics - Dressler (ISBN-13 978-0877202035)

- Fearon's Pre-Algebra (ISBN-13 978-0835934534)

- Introductory Algebra for College Students - Blitzer (ISBN-13 978-0134178059)

- Geometry - Jacobs ( 2nd ed, ISBN-13 978-0716717454)

- Intermediate Algebra for College Students - Blitzer (ISBN-13 978-0134178943 )

- College Algebra - Blitzer (ISBN-13 978-0321782281)

- Precalculus - Blitzer (ISBN-13 978-0321559845)

- Precalculus - Stewart (ISBN-13 978-1305071759)

- Thomas' Calculus: Early Transcendentals (ISBN-13 978-0134439020)

- Calculus - Stewart (ISBN-13 978-1285740621)

The main goal of learning is to understand the ideas and concepts at hand as “deeply” as possible. Understanding is a mental process we go through to see how a new idea is related to previous ideas and knowledge. By “deeply” we mean to grasp as much of the ideas and relations between them as possible. A good metaphor for this is picturing knowledge as a web of ideas where everything is somehow related to everything else, and the more dense the web is, the stronger it becomes. This means that there might be no “perfect” state of understanding, and otherwise it is an on-going process. You could learn a subject and think you understand it completely, then after learning other subjects, you come back to the first subject to observe that now you understand it deeper. Here we can use a famous quote from the mathematician John V. Neumann: “Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them”, which I think really means that getting “used to” some subject in Mathematics might be the first step in the journey of its understanding! Understanding is the journey itself and not the final destination.

Solve as many exercises as you can to challenge your understanding and problem-solving skills. Exercises can sometimes reveal weaknesses in your understanding. Unfortunately, there is no mathematical instruction manual for problem-solving, it is rather an essential skill that requires practice and develops over time. However, it could be greatly impacted by your level of understanding of the subject. The processes of learning and problem-solving are interrelated and no one of them is dispensable in the favor of the other. There are also general techniques that could be helpful in most cases which are found in some books on problem-solving (which are included in the roadmap).

Teach what you have learned to someone else or at least imagine that you are explaining what you learned to someone in the best possible way (which is also known as the Feynman Technique). This forces you to elaborately rethink what you have learned which could help you discover any weaknesses in your understanding.

Learning how and when to take notes is not easy. You don't want to waste your time copying the entire book. Most modern books have nice ways to display important information such as definitions and theorems, so it's a waste of time to write these down since you can always return to them quickly. What you should do is take notes of how you understood a difficult concept (that took you a relatively long time to understand) or anything that you would like to keep for yourself which is not included in the book, or to rewrite something in the book with your own words. Notes are subjective and they should be a backup memory that extends your own memory.

Read critically. Books are written by people and they are not perfect. Don't take everything for granted. Think for yourself, and always ask yourself how would you write whatever you are reading. If you found out a better way to explain a concept, then write it down and keep it as a note.

Cross-reference. Don't read linearly. Instead, have multiple textbooks, and “dig deep” into concepts. If you learn about something new (say, linear combinations) — look them up in two textbooks. Watch a video about them. Read the Wikipedia page. Then write down in your notes what a linear combination is.

Learning is a social activity, so maybe enroll in a community college course or find a local study group. I find it's especially important to have someone to discuss things with when learning math. I also recommend finding good public spaces to work in—libraries and coffee shops are timeless math spaces.

Pay graduate students at your local university to tutor you.

Take walks, they're essential for learning math.

Khan Academy is not enough. It has broad enough coverage, I think, but not enough diversity of exercises. College Algebra basically is a combination of Algebra 1, Algebra 2, relevant Geometry, and a touch of Pre-Calculus. College Algebra, however, is more difficult than High School Algebra 1 and 2. I would tend to agree that you should start with either Introductory Algebra for College Students by Blitzer or, if your foundations are solid enough (meaning something like at or above High School Algebra 2 level), Intermediate Algebra by Blitzer. Basically, Introductory Algebra by Blitzer is like Pre-Algebra, Algebra 1, and Algebra 2 all rolled into one. It's meant for people that don't have a good foundation from High School. I would just add, if it is still too hard (which I doubt it will be for you, based on your comment), then I would go back and do Fearon's Pre-Algebra (maybe the best non-rigorous Math textbook I've ever seen). Intermediate Algebra is like College Algebra but more simple. College Algebra is basically like High School Algebra 1 and 2 on steroids plus some Pre-Calculus. The things that are really special about Blitzer is that he keeps math fun, he writes in a more engaging way than most, he gives super clear—and numerous—examples, his books have tons of exercises, and there are answers to tons of the exercises in the back of the book (I can't remember if it's all the odds, or what). By the time you go through Introductory, Intermediate, and College Algebra, you will have a more solid foundation in Algebra than many, if not most, students. If you plan to move on to Calculus, you'll need it. There's a saying that Calculus class is where students go to fail Algebra, because it's easy to pass Algebra classes without a solid foundation in it, but that foundation is necessary for Calculus. Blitzer has a Pre-Calculus book, too, if you want to proceed to Calculus. It's basically like College Algebra on steroids with relevant Trigonometry. Don't get the ones that say “Essentials”, though. Those are basically the same as the standard version but with the more advanced stuff cut out.

Re: Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

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> I agree with the sentiment of this. I think our obsession with innate ~~mathematical~~ skill and genius is so detrimental to the growth mindset that you need to have in order to learn things. I strongly believe that the average human being can be exceptional in any niche topic given enough time, dedication and focus. The author of the book has picked out mathematics because that was what he was interested in. The r…

>The belief that some people have an innate skill that they are born with is deeply unhelpful. Whilst some people (mostly spectrum) do seem have an innate talent, I would argue that it is more an inbuilt ability to hyper focus on a topic, whether that topic be mathematics, Star Trek, dinosaurs or legacy console games from the 1980’s. Nonsense! The brain you are born with materially dictates the ceiling of your talent…

What makes you think that "genius" is nature and not nurture? I'd love to see the evidence for this; i'm deeply skeptical.

Edit: I don't mean to argue that there aren't genetics involved in determining aptitude on certain tasks, of course, but the assumption that genius is born and never made feels like a very shallow understanding of the capacity of man.

Re: Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

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Most people don't try hard at the gym. Most people don't try hard at music. Most people aren't comedians. This reads like the foreword to the incel handbook.

And that's obviously bad because incels are not real people with feelings.

It is bad because it suffers from misattribution error, ultimately not leading to any solution and often making the situation worse. A downward spiral of misinterpreted signal
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