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Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by avs733 »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #83
FigurativeVoid wrote: post #67

When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone. If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence. Recently they have all agreed that voter ID la…

Recently they have all agreed that voter ID laws "just make sense." But they don't even bring up any of the unpleasant history around IDs. This year is the 80th anniversary of the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, do they really need to go through the history of IDs? We need to rebuild confidence in the integrity of elections, Voter ID, which most democratic countries require, seems like an incredibly modest step…

'its old so we can assume everyone shares the same information and perspective' is a bad way to do decision making and argumentation full stop. Topic and perspective independent.

One of the things I used to see pushed back on, but it seems to have gone by the way side recently, is not citing the original source but rather citing the someone saying something about the source. Its increasingly pervasive in all types of research adn contributes to a giant and slow moving slide of meaning creep.

The OP mentions that reviewing the history would inform the discussion. You dismissed being informed and simply provided a truism - specifically accepted a truism common from oen side. If the issue is confidence in integrity, but there never was an integrity issue, then fixing an integrity issue is neither possible nor a solution to the confidence problem.

Again, I see this everywhere - from polite conversation to academic discourse adn it troubles me about the larger state of knowledge and knowing in the world.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by TeaBrain »

the_optimist wrote: post #96

Leading off the article with Yglesias shows the guy has little idea what he’s proposing to discuss. Imports can reduce GDP because the import is imported and not domestically produced. The formula identifies specifically: that which is consumed domestically but not produced domestically is not part of domestic production. There is no inconsistency here at all with revised trade policy increasing GDP. It should be tot…

Yglesias has no business commenting on macro finance. He just as good at being confidently incorrect as Chamath. An entertaining example of this was his confidently incorrect tirade about basis points.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/13/matt-yglesias-got-confused-a...

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by avs733 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #31
schnable wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find these guys are pretty insightful when discussing tech and VC news. The politics talk is awful. Chamath is a lightweight who doesn't know anything about how our government works but speaks confidently -- I remember one time he was talking about how raising the debt ceiling will allow the President to spend more money. Sacks is a partisan hack who will spin everything as a positive for Trump and MAGA politics. T…

> these guys are pretty insightful when discussing tech and VC news They seem insightful. They’re generally behind the curve and remind of Stratfor . If anything, All In is better connected on politics. But that may be my Gell-Mann amnesia at play because I know the finance side of tech very well, and they’re not only frequently but paradoxically consistently wrong on it in ways that one sees institutional-versus-ret…

they perform insightfullness

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by takinola »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #31
schnable wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find these guys are pretty insightful when discussing tech and VC news. The politics talk is awful. Chamath is a lightweight who doesn't know anything about how our government works but speaks confidently -- I remember one time he was talking about how raising the debt ceiling will allow the President to spend more money. Sacks is a partisan hack who will spin everything as a positive for Trump and MAGA politics. T…

> these guys are pretty insightful when discussing tech and VC news They seem insightful. They’re generally behind the curve and remind of Stratfor . If anything, All In is better connected on politics. But that may be my Gell-Mann amnesia at play because I know the finance side of tech very well, and they’re not only frequently but paradoxically consistently wrong on it in ways that one sees institutional-versus-ret…

Interestingly, I agreed with the idea that they are better when discussing tech and VC (after all that's their day job). Do you have any examples of where they have been significantly off on tech finance?

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by coolspot »

FigurativeVoid wrote: post #67

When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone. If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence. Recently they have all agreed that voter ID la…

Voter ID laws do, in fact, just make sense.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by lewhoo »

cryptozeus wrote: post #94
llamaimperative wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's actually a bad idea to expose your brain to pathologically dishonest people.

They make mistake and they also come out and apologize or call it out when they are wrong. No one is 100% correct all the time. You have never made mistake or said something wrong when having discussion with your friends ? They are not running this as a educational channel , its a podcast where 4 friends chit chat.

Apparently the biggest mistake they made is to criticize Trump for Jan 6. It's ok, they apologized for that.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by deskr »

swyx wrote: post #27
newfocogi wrote: post #20

In this age of endless expertise, it's easy to be fooled into thinking someone is a true authority until you hear them speak on a topic you know well. There's a certain thrill in getting a glimpse behind the curtain, seeing the man (or woman) behind the rhetoric. While I tell myself that 40% of what they say is just made up or misinterpreted, I can't help but keep listening, captivated by the illusion of insight. Eve…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

Wow, I didn't know this effect had a name. I've experienced it so many times.

I've also seen how politicians lie and tell half truths about stuff, where I know the full story like them.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by jmyeet »

FigurativeVoid wrote: post #67

When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone. If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence. Recently they have all agreed that voter ID la…

What you have to realize is that many of these podcasts and forums and so on are marketing tools. Any honesty or insight is either accidental or incidental. I mean even HN is the marketing arm for YC.

In recent years we've seen where the loyalties lie for the likes of Sacks and Calacanis. You see this as various SV movers have fallen in line politically in a way that alienates the majority of the workers that created their wealth.

Go back 10-20 years and there was a lot of delusion in the tech space that companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Netflix or whoever that are somehow "different" to Corporate America. Since the pandemic, I think all of these companies have gone fully mask off.

You, as a tech worker, as a nuisance to these people. You cost money. They are doing their utmost to suppress your wages and create fear and uncertainty through permanent, rolling layoffs. It's a constant effort to get you to do more work for less money.

The likes of Calacanis, Sacks, Thiel, Zuckerberg, Pichai and so on are united in one thing: solidarity with the billionaire class. So maybe All-In is entertaining but you should never forget it has an agenda to serve the billionaire class.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by toephu2 »

red_hare wrote: post #44
xrd wrote: post #26

The irony of people like this misinterpreting government data as they orchestrate and cheer on a change in government.

In this past Friday's episode, Saks made some pretty terrifying statements about the FCC selling the VHF/UHF Frequencies. He seemed wildly unclear about how leasing that space by the FCC has worked until now and pitched it as a "fixing the woke media" solution.

He's not wrong?
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