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What should a logo for NeXT look like? (1986)

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Re: What should a logo for NeXT look like? (1986)

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When I read the jobs biography I had to put down the book and look up the next logo after how important that logo and design process seemed to have been. I was quite disappointed and find it hard to say anything kind about it. It works a lot better on Steve’s t-shirt where you can’t see the box.

the logo is one of the best ever made.

This comments section is full of people (myself included) who feel otherwise. Art is subjective, but design needs wide appeal. NeXT didn’t have it.

Re: What should a logo for NeXT look like? (1986)

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I loved—and still love—this logo. Maybe it's because we have a gazillion startups and companies now, so every single logo looks the same to me. These old logos have spirit and personality.

This is truly a stunning logo, it’s timeless and sublime. Hard to beat work like this

Is sublime the specific shade of green?

Re: What should a logo for NeXT look like? (1986)

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I feel like the difference between art and design is that you shouldn't need to know any of the back story for design, it should just look right, even if the lay person can't quite tell you why it looks right. Nobody needs the backstory on the Nike tick. You don't need to be told that the lines on the FedEx logo are beautifully balanced.

> You don't need to be told that the lines on the FedEx logo are beautifully balanced. What lines?

The ones that form the embedded arrow.

Re: What should a logo for NeXT look like? (1986)

#105

I might be in the minority, but the NeXT logo never looked good to me - there's something off with projection of the cube.

There's symbolism in it that necessitates the angles that were used. It's a Great Work Black Cube (obvious), containing the life coil / ouroboros (the way the word wraps around on the second line), that runs The Next Step (represented by the 2D axial tilt — ever read Crowley? [0]), plus two-down-one-up / two-become-one (iykyk)

[0] https://archive.org/details/CrowleyTheBookOfTheLaw/page/n3/m...

Re: What should a logo for NeXT look like? (1986)

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Wait, the calculator was a Java app? What versions was that the case for? That’s really funny.

Apple got aboard the Java hype train with early versions of Mac OS X, they added a bridge so that you could write Cocoa apps with it, so the calculator is presumably a case of them dogfooding it. It didn't catch on. The bridge stuff was dropped after a while, and then built in Java was dropped just before the Mac App Store was launched.

Relevant: http://preserve.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.19/19.12/Co...

Re: What should a logo for NeXT look like? (1986)

#107

If NeXT were still around to day the logo would be changef to the word "Next" in black sans-serif, not stylized in any way.

They used exactly that aesthetic in their mid-'90s software-only days. It was with Futura BT Pro Condensed Extra Black:

https://www.myfonts.com/products/pro-condensed-extra-black-1...

https://ia600906.us.archive.org/31/items/NeXTSTEP33CISC/NeXT...

Re: What should a logo for NeXT look like? (1986)

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I find it interesting that the final logo choice is not like any of the sketches. You could imagine that someone came along and went "no, not like any of that" and came up with something different. It's also humorous to me that the designer was considering something that looks like an hour glass for the X. Imagine using a symbol for your powerful new computer that essentially means "wait".

> It's also humorous to me that the designer was considering something that looks like an hour glass for the X. Imagine using a symbol for your powerful new computer that essentially means "wait".

I assume that association is why Rand abandoned the concept, but the opposing arrows also represent a crossing-over / pulling-apart / creating-reality / 2D-becomes-3D / new-dimension kind of thing.

The eventual Mac OS X uses the same symbolism. I remember being irrationally annoyed back in the day at the way Stebe Jovs would pronounce it “Mac OS Ecks” instead of “Mac OS Ten”, and it took me like twenty years to realize that it is actually Mac OS Ecks — it's Mac OS Up + Down. Peep the negative space and you can see the arrowheads, plus the axial tilt and crossing-over encoded in the way one opposing arm and leg of the Garamond X are thicker: https://www.flickr.com/photos/joewhk/1805068540

Re: What should a logo for NeXT look like? (1986)

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For other reasons, I had come cross Cummings substack a couple of weeks ago - highly instructive, no wonder he was ejected from UK gov circles ...

I explored the law. Cutting a long story short I figured out a way in which one could (legally) hire someone to pop around to Gould’s house in the middle of the night and go through his bins the night before bin day. For roughly a year I read many documents from the Blair inner circle including notes from Blair. Many of them were market research about the euro. I saw Gould writing memos for Blair who would try out id…

Thanks, I didn't see that one.

Guess he didn't get the "gentlemen do not read each other's mail" memo - may not be a gentleman at all ...

Re: What should a logo for NeXT look like? (1986)

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the goal of a logo is to be memorable, not just "look good"

I remember it looked terrible and unmemorable. Really, if you asked me 5 minutes ago to draw it I’d be unable to. I only remembered it was some sort of ugly use of the NeXT characters. Apparently people’s response to it is polarizing. I always thought it was a ridiculously bad logo.

the fact that you can even remember its shape and ugly colors is remarkable, considering this is a product that was never widely used and hasn't been sold since 1997
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