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New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by nine_k »

randomdata wrote: post #66
nine_k wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A privilege is given, a right is taken. If enough people fight for the recognition of their need and desire to work from home, enough to enshrine it in some legal norms or at least in widely accepted and expected practices in the industry, WFH may become a right. This is how 40-hour work weeks became a right, or collective bargaining became a right, etc.

> This is how 40-hour work weeks became a right It became a standard in the US, but is not a right. And while the idea of the 40-hour work week did, indeed, come from labour groups, it was the Great Depression needing effort to try and compel businesses to hire more workers, not the fight of workers, that pushed to see it become a standard.

That might be the final chord, but the tune started back in the 18th century, as a long struggle: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day_movement

It wasn't a sudden bout of benevolnce from the FDR administration, or from anyone in the management or government.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by ceejayoz »

richwater wrote: post #59
marricks wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “Work hard without complaining” I don’t think this is the outlook of an ally. I think the answer to that is a strong union able to bring down the website and get management to the table. This is why we all need unions.

> I think the answer to that is a strong union able to bring down the website Unions cannot cause intentional or malicious destruction of their workplace. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/01/politics/labor-strike-supreme...

That was clearly intended to permanently damage/destroy the equipment.

Coding a time bomb into the website would be illegal, but they can't force you back to work to fix a bug/outage that happens to occur during the strike.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by tomjen3 »

impish9208 wrote: post #80

From the WSJ’s reporting on this: > Most employees in the tech union receive pay of more than $100,000, and average compensation, including bonus and restricted stock units, is $190,000, according to a Times spokeswoman. That figure is an average of $40,000 more than members of the Times’s journalist union, she said. > Times leaders have also bristled at the nature of some of the guild’s requests. The union previousl…

Considering the common pay for software devs thats not as high as I expect.

The unscented cleaning supplies is a weird request, but it does kinda make sense and the cost should be pretty low - don't know why they removed that requirement.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by blitzar »

conartist6 wrote: post #15
bwestergard wrote: post #3

I am also a member of the union at NPR, on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. Happy to answer any questions. I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. The Times Workers are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates and for Just Cause protections. The vast majority of HN consists of developers, designers, QA,…

I rely on them to know what is going on, and tomorrow is the biggest day of every four years for needing to know what the heck is going on. I find your suggestion that I should consider the trust I've built with their news division destroyed on this day of all days ridiculous and irresponsible, especially given the fact that the timing of the strike was chosen to hurt me extremely badly if I should feel morally oblig…

> tomorrow is the biggest day of every four years for needing to know what the heck is going on

Watching a car crash, totally outside of your control in real time is not healthy. Skip the will they / won't they and find something healthier to do with the 24 hours or so of uncertainty.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by laborcontract »

impish9208 wrote: post #80

From the WSJ’s reporting on this: > Most employees in the tech union receive pay of more than $100,000, and average compensation, including bonus and restricted stock units, is $190,000, according to a Times spokeswoman. That figure is an average of $40,000 more than members of the Times’s journalist union, she said. > Times leaders have also bristled at the nature of some of the guild’s requests. The union previousl…

From this article:

> The guild said it was asking readers to honor its digital picket line by not playing Times Games products, such as Wordle, and not using the Cooking app.

I’m not familiar with digital picket lines, why not ask that people not read via the site? Tying the picket line to Wordle and the cooking app seems to trivialize the importance of the team – Wordle was an acquisition!

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by sdenton4 »

cab11150904 wrote: post #91
impish9208 wrote: post #80

From the WSJ’s reporting on this: > Most employees in the tech union receive pay of more than $100,000, and average compensation, including bonus and restricted stock units, is $190,000, according to a Times spokeswoman. That figure is an average of $40,000 more than members of the Times’s journalist union, she said. > Times leaders have also bristled at the nature of some of the guild’s requests. The union previousl…

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The auto workers unions got established when auto work was high paid, high tech work. People deserve to have unions - which is to say, a voice in the terms of their employment - regardless of the size of their paycheck.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by tharmas »

cab11150904 wrote: post #91
impish9208 wrote: post #80

From the WSJ’s reporting on this: > Most employees in the tech union receive pay of more than $100,000, and average compensation, including bonus and restricted stock units, is $190,000, according to a Times spokeswoman. That figure is an average of $40,000 more than members of the Times’s journalist union, she said. > Times leaders have also bristled at the nature of some of the guild’s requests. The union previousl…

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Not all Unions are bad but some Unions are. Same with management. We've lost the art of compromise.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by hobs »

tomjen3 wrote: post #103
impish9208 wrote: post #80

From the WSJ’s reporting on this: > Most employees in the tech union receive pay of more than $100,000, and average compensation, including bonus and restricted stock units, is $190,000, according to a Times spokeswoman. That figure is an average of $40,000 more than members of the Times’s journalist union, she said. > Times leaders have also bristled at the nature of some of the guild’s requests. The union previousl…

Considering the common pay for software devs thats not as high as I expect. The unscented cleaning supplies is a weird request, but it does kinda make sense and the cost should be pretty low - don't know why they removed that requirement.

As a person whose very sensitive to scents there's an entire world of folks who are debilitated by them!

I can often tell if someone was wearing anything but the mere hint of perfume minutes after they've left an area, and anything stronger gives me headaches or worse.

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