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Re: In Memory of Stiver

#101

Post by aguaviva »

cyberax wrote: post #93
jojobas wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This functional bureaucracy is 100% compromised by the parallel power structure, "Putin's Vertical". Pretty much everyone employed by the state, from school teachers who en masse rig elections to the judges who do FSB's/president office bidding, have to be assumed irredeemable. Russia didn't to the "lustrations" that Poland, Czechia, East Germany and some other countries did, and the Hydra survived.

> This functional bureaucracy is 100% compromised by the parallel power structure, "Putin's Vertical". Nope, it actually works well within it. I'm talking about the bureaucracy that ensures that the water is running, people can get driving licenses, register real estate deals, etc. All the "boring" stuff that keeps the country working. > Russia didn't to the "lustrations" that Poland, Czechia, East Germany and some o…

Lustrations ("purges") are a bad idea in general, especially for larger countries that don't have a history of democracy.

I don't see one can look at recent history and come to support this view.

The lustrations in the former Warsaw Pact countries, and denazification (such as it was) in Germany after WW2 seem to have worked well enough, and to have been crucial enablers of the process of democratic transition in these countries (having had very little history of democracy as such until that point). If anything West Germany suffered from not being sufficiently robust in its denazification process until far too late.

Of course, such purges should never be simply imposed from the outside, on the heals of an invasion which should have never happened anyway, which is the key reason why de-Ba'athification failed so miserably in Iraq.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

#102

Post by aguaviva »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #74
aguaviva wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war started, because Russia can not allow Ukraine to be turned into a hostile state, ideologically driven by hatred towards Russia and Russians and manipulated by NATO, with bases on its territory. It seems you may not appreciate the e…

You are very sure that your sources aren't lying to you. If you are interested in going down a rabbit hole, here's a good starting point. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-progr... The year is 1997, but the conflict started much earlier than that, during the fall of the Soviet Union. For all the brainwashed and self-righteous: feel free to hit the downvote button. I won't respond to stupid questi…

I won't respond to stupid questions along the lines of "how is this relevant",

Which is a pretty strong indication that it most likely isn't.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

#103

Post by jojobas »

cyberax wrote: post #100
jojobas wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm talking about the bureaucracy that ensures that the water is running, people can get driving licenses, register real estate deals, etc. Maybe utilities and some other functions that are not related to how Putin enacts his political control can be spared. Not gutting the machine that does - and that's courts, the entire FSB, whole departments of the MVD, large swaths of the education system and regional governmen…

> Not gutting the machine that does - and that's courts, the entire FSB, whole departments of the MVD The FSB _itself_ needs to be split and de-powered. There should never be a state organization with this amount of power. However, people who were working there should not just be blindly purged. This way you end up with the Iraq scenario. From the practical standpoint, FSB also contains border guards, law enforcement…

Yeah, cause de-powering and splitting the OG KGB totally worked.

Personal prosecutions by the compromised prosecutors and courts won't work either. The war is only the tip of the iceberg, an external manifestation of absolute corruption.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

#105

Post by hnisoss »

immibis wrote: post #87
Kwpolska wrote: post #65

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> If you defiantly refuse to say who you are, it can make people angry that you’re upsetting social reciprocity. You know who they are, but they don’t know who you are. It feels rude. An obsessive personality might make it their damn mission to figure out who you are! To be frank, fuck them. I’m not inventing an entire persona and stuff just to make some weirdos happy.

If you were running an online criminal empire like this guy, you might want to

online criminal empire?

Re: In Memory of Stiver

#106

Post by protomolecule »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #72
protomolecule wrote: post #56

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In Russia programmers working at accredited IT-companies are safe from mobilization [0] > I think that's a pretty strong indication of the sentiment. Some left following their western employers, some fled from the mobilization in 2022. >And wrt the economy, didn't the Central Bank just increase the benchmark rate to 21% It did, that's why I said 'mostly'. Kremlin is pumping money into defense industry and into paymen…

I'm Russian, I used to be a programmer at an accredited company, and I still wouldn't be safe from the draft because I have no university education. (For me personally this is a moot point because I left Russia, but still.)

Good point, be safe.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

#107

Post by selivanovp »

wojciii wrote: post #81
selivanovp wrote: post #64

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Russia is not imperialistic, Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO. The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war sta…

> Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO. This is a lie. Russia is trying to eradicate the Ukrainian culture. It failed with corruption and tried with military muscle during the invasion. This also failed. So now they try to freeze people to death, kill civilia…

>Russia is trying to eradicate the Ukrainian culture.

You're lying yourself. It's Russian culture that's getting eradicated in Ukraine by renaming cities, streets, destroying monuments, burning books, prohibiting Russian language usage which is mother tongue for majority of population of Ukraine etc. In Russia nothing like this happens. Ukrainian language is being taught in schools that has significant Ukrainian population, nobody renames anything related to Ukraine.

>So now they try to freeze people to death, kill civilians and do human wave attacks to gain territories.

You're watching too much of your local propaganda.

>People living in the occupied territories are killed for showing any Ukrainian culture. Torture is common. This is the russian Mir.

Yeah, yeah, that's why Russia has the largest population of Ukrainians outside of Ukraine, absorbed the most number of refugees from Ukraine, and people from "occupied territories" are getting Russian citizenship. Brainwashing is real.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

#108

Post by selivanovp »

aguaviva wrote: post #102
riehwvfbk wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are very sure that your sources aren't lying to you. If you are interested in going down a rabbit hole, here's a good starting point. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-progr... The year is 1997, but the conflict started much earlier than that, during the fall of the Soviet Union. For all the brainwashed and self-righteous: feel free to hit the downvote button. I won't respond to stupid questi…

I won't respond to stupid questions along the lines of "how is this relevant", Which is a pretty strong indication that it most likely isn't.

You can go to youtube and search for "prof.Mearsheimer about history of Ukraine conflict" or something like this.

This guy is a USA professor that specializes in international relations. He was warning for years that USA course of actions will result in Russia Ukraine war. And he has multiple videos explaining in details the history and how step by step we ended with this war, what could've been done to prevent it, and what steps actually made it inevitable.

The main thing is that what he tells is true, well known to Russians, but it's that other side of the story, that is wiped and generally not allowed in Western mass media, so most of USA and other NATO countries citizens are totally unaware of it.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

#109

Post by selivanovp »

9dev wrote: post #69
selivanovp wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is not imperialistic, Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO. The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war sta…

Most of what you’ve written is just plain wrong, but I’m not responsible for clearing up the propaganda. Let me just say this: No political fear of any foreign influence on a bordering country ever justifies invading this country, killing its citizens, and destroying its infrastructure. No matter how you try to frame it, Russia committed crimes in Ukraine, which it is completely responsible for. You may try to blame…

Justifies? Of course not. But it's what governments did for centuries and do up to this day.

We can forget about history for a second, but just look at what's going on with China, for example. They've never attacked USA or any Western nation, they're restoring their country after centuries of foreign occupation, making their people life better, expanding markets with their goods, and USA is intended to destroy them. Why? Because they're an economic threat absorbing world markets and pushing USA out, so USA needs to act fast to preserve own dominance over the globe, because China's also building their military, so window of opportunity for military aggression is getting narrower.

To make it clear: international politics is never about justice, it's about interests. Those who're relatively strong trying to force weaker powers to submit to their demands. USA is the current King of the Hill, and they're trying their best to not allow anyone to topple them, by invading other countries directly, toppling governments, provoking wars by proxies etc.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

#110

Post by aguaviva »

selivanovp wrote: post #107
wojciii wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO. This is a lie. Russia is trying to eradicate the Ukrainian culture. It failed with corruption and tried with military muscle during the invasion. This also failed. So now they try to freeze people to death, kill civilia…

>Russia is trying to eradicate the Ukrainian culture. You're lying yourself. It's Russian culture that's getting eradicated in Ukraine by renaming cities, streets, destroying monuments, burning books, prohibiting Russian language usage which is mother tongue for majority of population of Ukraine etc. In Russia nothing like this happens. Ukrainian language is being taught in schools that has significant Ukrainian popu…

Prohibiting Russian language usage which is mother tongue for majority of population of Ukraine etc.

The Russian language is not prohibited in Ukraine, and it is not, by any stretch, "the mother tongue for [the] majority population of Ukraine."

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