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Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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If Cuba is our ally, they're not going to be China's ally. See Vietnam, which we also had some rocky relations with. It's too late to change things with Cuba now though, Obama tried and failed, so Cuba will be in eternal decline until another revolution.

If the Florida based right wing Cubans ever die out or become less interested in politics, then there is a chance to hem relations, but as it is this is deeply tied with America political divisions ATM.

The correct answer.

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

#102
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And yet the US trades openly with Palestine. Seems like maybe the issue with Cuba isn't entirely the US embargo?

The US does not trade freely with Palestine. Israel blocks shipments at the border.

Are you specifically referring to post 10/7?

Prior, this was not true. Israel assessed a VAT customs fee which was then transferred to the PA. The US has an FTA with the PA which applies across Gaza and the West Bank.

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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post #79

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For the vast majority of the population it was impoverished even before Castro.

Cuba was the richest or second richest country in the Caribbean before Castro

Eh, maybe the big landowners and elites. Reminds me of the modern US.

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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post #80

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You can fire nukes from anywhere on the globe nowadays… Cold War was over before I was born, yet you’re still salty

> You can fire nukes from anywhere on the globe nowadays ICBMs existed back then as well. If the nuke comes from too close, there is no ability to react with early warning systems. That was the core problem with Cuban Missile Crisis. > Cold War was over before I was born, yet you’re still salty Good point. Probably shouldn't be concerned about Russia either then! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukra…

Why should I be concerned about Russia? They tried invading my country many times in the last centuries and it always failed - what is significantly different in this iteration?

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Cuba's exports are $2B, Haiti's exports are $63M. They are a little different.

Did you ask AI about Haiti's exports. 63M might be a monthly average of some year. I think they are higher than $1B Did the same AI tell you about Cuban exports? At least $2B is in the same ballpark, but definitely lower.

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Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Cuba's exports are $2B, Haiti's exports are $63M. They are a little different.

Did you ask AI about Haiti's exports. 63M might be a monthly average of some year. I think they are higher than $1B Did the same AI tell you about Cuban exports? At least $2B is in the same ballpark, but definitely lower.

You're right, the haiti numbers were way off.

According to Haiti's Central Bank, total goods exports in 2022 were 1.07 Billion. GDP per capita estimated at $1,748.3 USD. [1]

Cuba is harder to pin down. OEC says they had 1.07 Billion in goods exports in 2022[2], whereas the WTO puts it around 2+ Billion[3]. The World Bank puts GDP per capita at 9,499.6 in 2020 (a bad year)[4], but Cuba doesn't really have a GDP and it changed its monetary system in 2021, so an economist who specializes in Cuba should weigh in here.

But in general, even with the lack of transparency on the Cuban economy, it's quite clear that with Haiti's complete breakdown of government and its historically low GDP per capita, Cuba and its people are in a much healthier economic state and are a much more attractive trading/business partner than Haiti.

[1] https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/haiti-market... [2] https://oec.world/en/profile/country/cub [3] https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/countries_e/cuba_e.htm [4] https://data.worldbank.org/country/cuba

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

#108
post #59

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The economic model and decisions of Cuba is a terrible idea and could never work. To show you how confident we are in this, we will engineer the harshest economic hit job and we will sanction the sh out of them, and every other country that tries something similar. Respectfully, the US and its lackeys

So you just made up a rationale for the embargo that's completely divorced from reality and then dunked on it? This would play great on Twitter or Reddit, you should post there as well. The embargo doesn't exist because the US is correct in its assessment that Cuba's economic system won't succeed, an opinion shared by Cuba's largest trading partner: https://www.ft.com/content/9ca0a495-d5d9-4cc5-acf5-43f42a912...

> Respectfully, the US and its lackeys

That reads like sarcasm to me.

The embargo gets voted in every 6 months. There's huge lobby made up of bitter ex-land-owners from Cuba that now live in the USA and buy politicians.

The travesty in Cuba[1] and in Gaza[2] is directly related to the undemocratic policy in the United States where it is legal to bribe politicians.

1. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220207-cuba-marks-si...

2. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens...

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

#109

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/where-to-watch-the-debateand-... Sanctions on Cuba have strangled their economy and spread misery among the population. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 US is almost alone in spearheading the embargo.

Man, I wish the sanctions would be lifted just so that the leftists holding these countries hostage, and their fellow travelers, don't have an excuse for running them into the ground because they believe in the worst ideology in history.

Cuba trades just fine with China, EU, Canada even, not even considering South America. The numbers are out there. Also countries like Venezuela were not nearly as heavily sanctioned and yet they speed-ran the left playbook to run their economy into the ground in record time. On the other hand, somehow sanctions didn't do much to damage Russian internal economy, as much as I wish they did - probably because even mafiosos and strongmen are not as dumb as leftists. OTOH^2 economically illiterate Erdogan was able to make lira crash without any sanctions. That was from just one stupid idea, whereas leftism is a whole stupid system.

Also, why should they need trade to provide basic services that most countries provide locally? Forget power, Cuba is/was one of the major, and most famous, tobacco producers. A middle-aged US man once told me he often goes on vacations to Cuba (flying thru Canada), because "girls there will sleep with you for a pack of American cigarettes". The regime is so incompetent they cannot even provide basic local goods that require ~no trade.

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

#110
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Lead times for new infrastructure on the grid is an 18 month minimum. This is going to stay bad for a long time.

Couldn't China pull up a big floating power generation barge for them?

America has 12 nuclear aircraft carriers. 3 of them would be enough to light up the island.
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