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Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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post #99

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> but I'm pointing out the logo is at odds with their code of conduct Okay but it's not, because they are STILL welcoming to ALL religions and they're not telling you what to believe in. This is the trouble with religion. Since they're predicated on a belief of mission and saviorship, a neutral or disregard position is interpreted as opposition. This is not the case! Simply using a logo which looks like a demon is no…

> a neutral or disregard position is interpreted as opposition It's not really neutral though, it's specifically from the outset designed to depict something evil in the culture of the religion. The current more abstract logo could just as easily looks like traits of Satan as a random demon. And I don't believe this is an attack on Christianity or Christians, or designed to exclude Christians. I don't imagine it both…

> it's specifically from the outset designed to depict something evil in the culture of the religion

No, you interpret it as such. But to the vast majority of religions, it's not viewed as evil, and to secular people it's not evil either. It's just a play on the term daemon.

> So hence this is at odds with the code of conduct in my opinion

No, because as soon as you make organization changes to appease Christians than the Muslims will say "Wait wait wait - you're appeasing Christians and not us? But we are the one true religion!" And so now, you no longer have tolerance.

That's why the only way to achieve true tolerance of religion is to pretend all religions don't exist. Even acknowledging one can be, and often is, interpreted as favoritism or endorsement. Every religion thinks they're the "One True" one.

But if religions don't exist then the daemon isn't offensive. So there you go, religious tolerance.

> religious-themed art

Frankly I don't think Christianity, or any religion, have sole proprietorship over a cute little daemon logo. I can arbitrarily relate many things to religion. For example, there's water in the Bible. Is therefore including water at your events an example of appealing to religion? No. You do not own demons and more so than the LGBT owns rainbows. There's a thing that exists in popular culture and they're secular, largely. Also asking religious people what is and is not secular is just a recipe for disaster overall. They have a very strong incentive to swallow up a ton of stuff.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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post #24
post #7

Well, I went to primary school with a heavy christian tradition and would probably have felt the same. I'm very happy that someone decided to tell me at about age 12 that perhaps it's not all literally true and some people have other ideas. Some not even involving concepts like eternal damnation, original sin, an omnipotent being that turns women into salt pillars but allows for children with bone cancer to exist, an…

Of course we should also be well aware of what penguins love to do: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/09/sex-depravity-... And it was long kept a secret. From where I come from there is a saying which goes like ‘Good thing you pulled the small devil’ (and not the big one, implied). Besides satanism or sheitanism as far as I know, is only objectified as the horn-y thing within a Christian (ok, Abrahamic to in…

I remember seeing Muslim and Jewish descriptions of the Devil in various stories, they didn't particularly look like a horned man with a pitchfork. Not sure where that comes from.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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post #7

Well, I went to primary school with a heavy christian tradition and would probably have felt the same. I'm very happy that someone decided to tell me at about age 12 that perhaps it's not all literally true and some people have other ideas. Some not even involving concepts like eternal damnation, original sin, an omnipotent being that turns women into salt pillars but allows for children with bone cancer to exist, an…

And then you find out about Santa Claus and Easter Bunny.

Fun fact: Father Christmas (aka Santa Claus) was put on trial in France in the 1950s, then burnt on a bonfire (in effigy), for leading good Christians away from Christmas and towards consumerism.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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post #89

> a daemon, not the Devil. Many years ago, I was working in some Islamic countries where getting literature through customs was very hit and miss, depending on the religious sensibilities of the inspecting agent. I actually called the FreeBSD office and explained to someone that it would make my life easier if I could get copies of their material without their devil logo. The person I talked to was completely unsympa…

Pretty sure that Daemons (and all other supernatural creatures from Greek myths) would be frowned upon by a religious inspector from any Abrahamic religion.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

#105
post #84

I remember my wife describing the funny look she got from our "traditional" next door neighbor as she took the latest edition of the BSD journal out of the mailbox. Never went any further than that. But if you choose to use a literal hell-themed demon as your product's logo, don't be surprised if it limits your user base.

Cartoon devils are everywhere in pop culture, from deviled ham to Looney Tunes to sports mascots. If even a significant number of Christians cared enough to avoid associating with any company that has any kind of devil logo, there would be evidence of it as a trend in the market. As far as I know, no such evidence exists, therefore it's reasonable to assume that using a devil logo doesn't limit anyone's user base to…

Well, I'm old enough to remember... https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/procter-gamble-satan-c...

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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post #10

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Yeah obviously fake, who ever calls people. It's not the owner of the hotel, it's the person / company who setup their WiFi. Presumably on the wifi connection page there's a number to call for tech support. http://lariat.net/

The first sentence says: "I just got a call from the owner of a hotel..." The story is probably all true, even though it does have a bit of that "Elderly man set cruise control on at their RV then got up to make a sandwich" urban myth/chain letter vibe to it.

Yeah, they even went to the length of setting up a fake ISP with a FreeBSD nerdesque 1995 web design vibe too.

If you've ever done tech support you know this call is all too real.

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

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post #103

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And then you find out about Santa Claus and Easter Bunny.

Fun fact: Father Christmas (aka Santa Claus) was put on trial in France in the 1950s, then burnt on a bonfire (in effigy), for leading good Christians away from Christmas and towards consumerism.

He leading everyone away from Christmas and towards consumerism :)

Re: Superstitious Users and the FreeBSD Logo

#108
post #52

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> blatantly being unwelcoming to a lot of religious people. It's maybe a clever tactic to keep religious extremists away. >as a Christian I would say it is appropriate to refuse to do business with someone using such images Send from a Iphone ;)

> It's maybe a clever tactic to keep religious extremists away. Or a clever tactic to reduce diversity, because many diverse countries of the world are full of people who would be uncomfortable or wouldn't want to associate with such images, because of their culture and religion. > Send from a Iphone ;) Sent from Android, but besides the point. I've used FreeBSD and have tried to make it work for me. Unfortunately be…

Re: "because of the logo I can't actually use it in general. For instance I wouldn't be comfortable using it with the church website I help maintain": I don't understand this. Why would the logo appear on the web site? Or do you mean that the mere existence of the logo, even if it is never seen by you or any user of the web site, means you can't use FreeBSD?
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