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Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by anoncow »

GranPC wrote: post #31
anoncow wrote: post #23

Furi OS was what turned me away. Never heard of it and that makes me realise we don't have an android alternative OS which is permanent. Do we have any OS which is permanent? Shouldn't we have one?

FuriOS is a derivate of Droidian, which in turn is basically Debian with Halium support. So it's pretty much Debian + some custom patches for usability, hardware support, performance, so on. We intend to upstream as many of our changes as possible as time permits, but right now we are laser focused on improving the experience day in and day out.

Thanks for the answer. All the best!

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by dpassens »

numpad0 wrote: post #72
rvense wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of reply is this? None of the people I want to give money will take Ethereum.

Then what makes you think the same people will let you insert a bomb-looking thing with wires sticking out into a credit card terminal?

Who said anything about sticking anything into credit card terminals? And I'm not seeing any wires sticking out of the phone. I'd say it doesn't particularly look like a bomb either, but given recent events, that probably doesn't say much.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by whyowhy3484939 »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #89
whyowhy3484939 wrote: post #69

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> I think everyone wants this. You asked for it. I don't want that. I don't want an "integrated experience" and "flagship quality". The first sounds juvenile and the second sounds unnecessarily expensive and probably containing shit I don't need, like fancy cameras to look good on my nonexistent socials. What I want is a simple, slow, old, efficient, simple phone with the interface of an 80s era 8bit computer that ca…

>I basically want an open source dumb phone. Do these exist? If not, why not focus on this first? Why go for fancy cameras and apps when we can't even make calls? Looking at your PinePhone. Your dream is achievable and has been achieved. PinePhone for example. I obviously don't mean everyone everyone. More like the overwhelming majority of people.

I have one and it very much struggles to make and especially to receive calls and is still trying to be smart. PinePhone is definitely not a dumb phone. It's expensive as well.

To me a simple, dumb, open source device that can easily be manufactured in all kinds of conditions all over the world sounds like a dream for actual, practical purposes. Like, for example, again, calling. To some degree I have the same issues with "smart watches". Simple, open source, dumb smart watches with just a smidge of 8bit CPU goodness to display, say, something simple like a word or even a letter on the screen would be quite useful. I know there is some movement in that arena using ESP32s but I am not particularly impressed. Alas, alas. Why do we as a civilization tend to go for the extremes and not just get our basic shit together first?

I was being slightly obtuse and I understood perfectly well that you meant all reasonable people. If I can't be obtuse and pedantic on HN though, where else?

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by numpad0 »

pmontra wrote: post #8

> Phone: 171mm x 82mm x 12mm : 280g 280 grams is a lot even for today's phones. 12 mm is half a inch. Very thick. The other dimensions are 6.7 x 3.2 inches. Ok, this might be a phone for people that want to prove a point but it's too cumbersome. How about starting with something reasonable and fit it with only what fits within those bounds? An example: 160 x 80 x 9 and 200 g. That would be a big phone but not bigger…

Do you seriously think weight and thickness are parameters that hardware designers just artificially inflate all the time just to be mean to users???

You want 1/3 of thickness and 53ml in volume and 80g in weight just removed because methinks that'd be much better??? A phone isn't a steak cut, you... can't do that. You can if you knew beforehand that there are suitable replacements for major components like displays and batteries, if you don't, you just take what hardware engineers give you. What are you even thinking.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by freedomben »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #78
freedomben wrote: post #56

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Open source Android has been increasingly neglected by Google, and is (essentially) unusable at this point unless you are ok with the look and feel of very early Android. It also isn't likely to improve as Google's strategy seems to be to move toward more and more proprietaryness. I think a much more sustainable approach is to focus on existing Linux distros and get them more usable on phones.

You are wrong about AOSP. I'm running LineageOS (Android 14) on both my phone and tablet without Gapps and it is a fully functional system. (NewPipe for youtube, Aurora/Fdroid for for App Stores) I don't know what you mean by "look and feel of early android" either, as AOSP based ROMs look just like Google Pixel in the settings, quick dropdowns and dialogue popups.

LineageOS != AOSP. They've put quite a bit of work on top of it too make it usable.

To be clear I have nothing against lineage, and I'm a Graphene OS user myself, but these projects add a lot of value on top of raw AOSP.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by rjsw »

ForHackernews wrote: post #88
whyowhy3484939 wrote: post #69

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> I think everyone wants this. You asked for it. I don't want that. I don't want an "integrated experience" and "flagship quality". The first sounds juvenile and the second sounds unnecessarily expensive and probably containing shit I don't need, like fancy cameras to look good on my nonexistent socials. What I want is a simple, slow, old, efficient, simple phone with the interface of an 80s era 8bit computer that ca…

These do (or did) exist: feature phones shipped with FirefoxOS. Almost no one bought them and the effort was widely seen as a failure, although KaiOS enjoys ongoing success in the developing world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Firefox_OS_devic... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS

I am using a KaiOS phone, a Nokia 6300 4G. It works well as a 4G WiFi hotspot for a laptop and as a small phone for making calls and sending texts. Have a few apps on it for mapping as well as using the browser occasionally.

The KaiOS WhatsApp app will stop working next year though.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by MaXtreeM »

dmd wrote: post #96
whyowhy3484939 wrote: post #69

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> I think everyone wants this. You asked for it. I don't want that. I don't want an "integrated experience" and "flagship quality". The first sounds juvenile and the second sounds unnecessarily expensive and probably containing shit I don't need, like fancy cameras to look good on my nonexistent socials. What I want is a simple, slow, old, efficient, simple phone with the interface of an 80s era 8bit computer that ca…

> that can actually, imagine this, make and, to complicate matters even further, even take calls Showing how different different people are. I've probably made... 20? ish? phone calls in the last decade. (I'm 46.)

Holy moly, you must have very different life than most people I guess. I am from the younger generation which supposedly avoids making old-style phone calls as much as possible and I don't think I know anyone who has made less than 100 calls in the last decade.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by jorvi »

GranPC wrote: post #27
jchw wrote: post #13

Apparently it is based on Halium, so it's probably not going to run mainline Linux any time soon. On the other hand, I'm less happy with Android than I pretty much ever have been, so having some more options outside of relatively unusable Linux phones and being stuck with modified Android firmware certainly does not hurt. I am definitely interested, especially if the team working on it is as active as it seems they a…

I work on this device. We are currently QAing the latest update with our community, which contains a lot of goodies and improvements shaped directly from community feedback. You can see previous changelogs at https://furilabs.com/changelog I am obviously a little biased, but this is probably the first Linux phone that people can actually use. Someone in our community switched from iPhone to this without much of an is…

Since you guys are running Gnome, you might be interested in helping with (or funding) this native GTK WhatsApp client: https://github.com/tobagin/whakarere/

Since these days something like >90% of people is on WhatsApp, it’s beyond quintessential to have a good WhatsApp client.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by GranPC »

jorvi wrote: post #108
GranPC wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work on this device. We are currently QAing the latest update with our community, which contains a lot of goodies and improvements shaped directly from community feedback. You can see previous changelogs at https://furilabs.com/changelog I am obviously a little biased, but this is probably the first Linux phone that people can actually use. Someone in our community switched from iPhone to this without much of an is…

Since you guys are running Gnome, you might be interested in helping with (or funding) this native GTK WhatsApp client: https://github.com/tobagin/whakarere/ Since these days something like >90% of people is on WhatsApp, it’s beyond quintessential to have a good WhatsApp client.

My biggest hold-up with that sort of work is that Facebook has previously threatened to ban users who use third-party clients, and then they have gone through with the threat. Is this no longer the case?

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by ninetyninenine »

riversflow wrote: post #62
ninetyninenine wrote: post #43

What I want is quality to the level of flagship android phones or the iphone with the ability to plug it in to a keyboard, mouse and screen and have it function as my laptop as well. One single integrated experience. I think everyone wants this. We have the technology we have the demand, it's just companies who make the high quality phones want to completely lock down the market. You would think the free market would…

> One single integrated experience. I think everyone wants this This is insane to me. Like not just no. Hell no. I want my phone to be a gadget, like a watch, not a whole ass computer. I want my tablet to be its own thing from my laptop, which is different from my PC(s). I absolutely, positively do NOT want general purpose computing to be the typical paradigm. I don’t want, need, or even like the idea of my phone, th…

I should never say "everyone" anymore. Because everyone is almost never true. I mean overwhelming majority.
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