ELI5 anyone?
Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
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Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
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Isn’t the best customer service: Cost to Solve In other words, do the details matter? If the customer leaves because you don’t take a fraudulent $10 return, but he’s worth $1,000 in the long term, that’s dumb. You might think that such a user doesn’t exist. Then you’d be getting the details wrong again! Example: Should ISPs disconnect users for piracy? Should Apple close your iCloud sub for pirating Apple TV? Should…
The fraud we deal with is a lot more than $10.
Do you find that the entities committing fraud are using generative AI tools to facilitate the crimes?
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
#103Has anyone seen AI agents working in production at scale? It doesn't matter if you're using Swarm, langchain, or any other orchestration framework if the underlying issue is that AI agents too slow, too expensive, and too unreliable. I wrote about AI agent hype vs. reality[0] a while ago, and I don't think it has changed yet. [0] https://www.kadoa.com/blog/ai-agents-hype-vs-reality
If the solution the agents create is immediately useful, then waiting a few minutes or longer for the answer is fine.
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
#104Has anyone seen AI agents working in production at scale? It doesn't matter if you're using Swarm, langchain, or any other orchestration framework if the underlying issue is that AI agents too slow, too expensive, and too unreliable. I wrote about AI agent hype vs. reality[0] a while ago, and I don't think it has changed yet. [0] https://www.kadoa.com/blog/ai-agents-hype-vs-reality
The problem with agents is divergence. Very quickly, an ensemble of agents will start doing their own things and it’s impossible to get something that consistently gets to your desired state. There are a whole class of problems that do not require low-latency. But not having consistency makes them pretty useless. Frameworks don’t solve that. You’ll probably need some sort of ground-truth injection at every sub-agent…
Sticky goals and reevaluation of tasks is one way to keep the end result on track.
How does gpt o1 solve this?
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
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Hey, I wrote that! But it was nearly 30 years ago, it's OK for someone else to use the same name. Fun fact: Swarm was one of the very few non-NeXT/Apple uses of Objective C. We used the GNU Objective C runtime. Dynamic typing was a huge help for multiagent programming compared to C++'s static typing and lack of runtime introspection. (Again, nearly 30 years ago. Things are different now.)
Hey, thanks for writing the original Swarm! Also thought of that immediately when I saw the headline. I enjoyed using it around 2002, got introduced via Rick Riolo at the the University of Michigan Center for the Study of Complex Systems. It was a bit of a gateway drug for me from software into modeling, particularly since I was already doing OS X/Cocoa stuff in Objective-C. A lot of scientific modelers start with di…
I took a graduate level class in the 1990s from some SFI luminaries. It was a great class but the dismal conclusion was "this stuff is kind of neat but not very practical, traditional optimization techniques usually work better". None of us guessed if you could scale the networks up 1 million X or more they'd become magic.
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
#106There's absolutely nothing new in this framework that you won't find in a dozen other agent frameworks on github.
Which ones do you suggest considering?
one mentioned elsewhere in thread: https://github.com/crewAIInc/crewAI
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I believe there is a new wave of interest in deeper understanding of complex systems through modelling and connecting with machine learning. I organized this conference on exploring system dynamics with AI which you can see most of the lectures here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6zSfYNSRHalAsgIjHHsttpYf... The idea was to think about it from different directions including academia, industry, and education. Nob…
This looks rad! But you should title the videos with the topic and the speakers name, and if you must include the conference name, put it at the end :) As-is, it's hard to skim the playlist, and likely terrible for organic search on Google or YouTube <3
I agree with you. Unfortunately I'm not in charge of the videos so even though I asked them to do this they didn't. Haha.
Re: Swarm, a new agent framework by OpenAI
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn’t the best customer service: Cost to Solve In other words, do the details matter? If the customer leaves because you don’t take a fraudulent $10 return, but he’s worth $1,000 in the long term, that’s dumb. You might think that such a user doesn’t exist. Then you’d be getting the details wrong again! Example: Should ISPs disconnect users for piracy? Should Apple close your iCloud sub for pirating Apple TV? Should…
The fraud we deal with is a lot more than $10.
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