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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by Animats » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 2:03 PM UTC

nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

"And, through the same lens, maybe human-created art is more interesting because it is real."

Most human-created art is rather bad. I used to go to a lot of art openings, and we'd look at some works and ask "will this have been tossed in five years?"

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by teaearlgraycold » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 2:03 PM UTC

nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

Unless we have god-like robotics I don't see AI making physical art any time soon. We can print out photos but people still buy paintings. We can 3D print but people still buy sculptures. People are paid to design and build beautiful buildings and interiors.

And of course if you can combine skills with sculpture with graphic design you're getting more specialized and are more likely to make a living - even if the field of graphic design is decimated by AI. That's generally how I feel about my skills as a programmer. I'm not just a programmer. So even if AI does most of the work with coding I can still write code for income as long as it's not the only reason I'm getting paid.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by jcims » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 2:03 PM UTC

One thing I've noticed with the set of music generation tools (eg Udio, Suno) is that there's a sort of profound attachment to songs that you create. I've never made music the old fashioned way so I'm guessing the same could be true for that as well, but there are songs I've made on Udio that I personally think are amazing but nobody else really responds to. Conversely I can see similar levels of pride and attachment from others for songs they have created that don't do anything for me.

It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out when you can make just about any kind of media you wish. (Especially when you can mix this as a form of 'embodiment' to realize relationships with virtual agents operated by LLMs.)

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by williamcotton » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 2:04 PM UTC

dyauspitr wrote: post #95

keiferski wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds gimmicky and worth watching once or twice, then forgetting about. Worthwhile art will continue to be created from a specific person's/group's vision, not an algorithmically generated sum of personal preferences.

You’ll never be able to tell them apart.

You will if you go see someone pick on a guitar at an open mic!

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by vundercind » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 2:04 PM UTC

adamc wrote: post #61

mywacaday wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we only a few years away from one person/small group made movies where the dialog, acting, location and special effects can be tweaked endlessly for a relatively low cost. If I was a studio exec I'd be worried.

I wouldn't be. How is any of this going to lead to meaningful art? I don't think you get "The Green Mile" from something like this.

Extremely-heavily-CG movies already mostly look like shit compared to ones where they build sets and have props and location shoot, even if somewhat assisted by computer compositing and such (everything is, nowadays). [edit: I don’t even mean that the graphics look bad, but the creative and artistic choices tend to be poor]

The limitations of reality seem to have a positive effect on the overall process of film making, for whatever reason. I expect generative AI film will be at least as bad. Gonna be hard to get an entire well-crafted film out of them.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by ben_w » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 2:05 PM UTC

mon_in_the_moon wrote: post #72

cs702 wrote: post #35

Impressive. It's only going to get better, faster, cheaper, easier.[a] Sooner than anyone could have expected, we'll be able to ask the machines: "Turn this book into a two-hour movie with the likeness of [your favorite actor/actress] in the lead role." Sooner than anyone could have expected, we'll be able to have immersive VR experiences that are crafted to each person. Sooner than anyone could have expected, we won…

You sound like two minute papers.

In enthusiasm perhaps, but when I play that in my own head with the voice of Dr. Károly Zsolnai-Fehér, he doesn't script his videos like that. I can't recall a single instance of him using triple repetition like that.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by CooCooCaCha » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 2:05 PM UTC

nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

The idea that we won’t care about art is frankly strange. But I think people will still need to make interesting art regardless of the tools.

So far AI doesn’t seem very good at the creative element.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by CuriouslyC » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 2:05 PM UTC

adamc wrote: post #57

clvx wrote: post #51

Off topic but some day you could live off grid with your own solar fusion mini reactor powering your own hardware that enables creating your own stories, movies and tales. No more need of streaming services. Internet would be to obtain news, goods and buy greatest and latest (or not) data to update your models. Decentralization could be for once not as painful as it is now; however, I still believe every single hardw…

I'm not. The likelihood that such movies (for example) would have anything significant to say about being human seems very low. If one watches movies, reads books, etc. just to pass the time, maybe this would be some kind of boon. But for those of us looking for meaningful commentary on life, looking to connect with other human beings, this would be some circle of hell. It's some kind of solipsism.

That doesn't follow at all. If I come up with a meaningful story and use AI to generate clips and stich them together to tell it, that's real art.

If you disagree with that, you're basically saying La Jetee isn't art, which would be a hard sell.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by sk11001 » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 2:06 PM UTC

nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

Earning a living through creativity doesn't work for the majority of people anyway even without AI in the picture. Creative expression is a thing that exists for its own sake, the people who make a living out of it are lucky outliers.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by briandear » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 2:07 PM UTC

nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

We heard this same argument when cameras were invented. Yet some of the most valuable paintings in the world were created in the 20th century.

We heard it again when electronic music started becoming a thing.

Formula 1 wouldn’t exist if the blacksmiths had their way.

The unknown scares people because they are afraid of their known paradigms being shattered. But the new things ahead are often beyond anything of which we could ever dream.

Be optimistic.