Who wants to listen to this? Is there seriously a market for non-human hosts?
Like... probably... like not.
NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective
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Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective
#102NotebookLM's is incredibly good at generating the affect and structure of a quality podcast. This is in-line with all art, music, and video created by LMM at the moment. They are imitating a structure and affect, the quality of the content is largely irrelevant. I think the interesting thing is that most people don't really care, and AI is not to blame for that. Most books published today have the affect of a book, b…
So your argument in anutshell is: humans have nothing to say, let's stop listening to them. Are you serious? It's ALL about what humans want to send out to the world, this is what it's all about. I'm perplexed that this isn't obvious.
Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective
#103> which is it generates an outline, it kind of revises that outline, it generates a detailed version of the script and then it has a kind of critique phase and then it modifies it based on the critique
I’m seeing this to be true in almost every application.
Chain of thought is not the best way to improve LLM outputs.
Manual divide and conquer with an outlining or planning step, is better. Then in separate responses address each plan step in turn.
I’m yet to experiment with revision or critique steps, what kind of prompts have people tried in those parts?
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#104what fresh hell are we creating?
Remember how in Fahrenheit 451 Montag's wife surrounds herself in her parlor, walls decked out with massive TVs running an interactive 24h soap opera?
That seems the direction we're headed in, and some people say the zipbombers can't come soon enough.
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#105I uploaded my detailed game design document for a project I've been working on in my free time and it was kind of a weird confidence boost. The two hosts seem to treat ideas like their the most insightful relevatory information they've ever heard. After a few uploads of other documents you start to notice the same overly surprised tone.
Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective
#106NotebookLM's is incredibly good at generating the affect and structure of a quality podcast. This is in-line with all art, music, and video created by LMM at the moment. They are imitating a structure and affect, the quality of the content is largely irrelevant. I think the interesting thing is that most people don't really care, and AI is not to blame for that. Most books published today have the affect of a book, b…
The thing is, we have been here before.
Think back to the mid-1980s and the first time everyone got their hands on a Casio or Yamaha keyboard with auto-accompaniment.
It was a huge amount of fun to play with, just pressing a few buttons, playing a few notes and feeling like you were producing a "real" pop song. Meanwhile, any actual musicians were to be found crying in the corner of the room, not because a new tool had come along which threatened their position, but because non-musicians apparently didn't understand (at least immediately) the difference between these superficial, low-effort machine-generated sounds and actual music.
Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think and hope that you're wrong. There's always been cheese, and there's a lot of it now. But there is still a market for top-notch insight. For example, Perun. This guy delivers an hourlong presentation on (mostly) the Ukraine-Russia war and its pure quality. Insights, humour, excellent delivery, from what seems to be a military-focused economist/analyst/consultant. We're a while away from some bot taking this ki…
This is true but the quality frontier is not a single bar. For mainstream content the bar is high. For super-niche content, I wouldn’t be surprised if NotebookLM already competes with the existing pods. This will be the dynamic of generated art as it improves; the ease of use will benefit creators at the fringe. I bet we see a successful Harry Potter fanfic fully generated before we see a AAA Avengers movie or simila…
On the contrary, the mainstream eats any slop you put infront of it as long as it follows the correct form - one needs only look at cable news - the super niche content is that which requires deep thinking and novel insights.
Or to put another way, I've heard much better ideas on a podcast made by undergrad CS students than on Lex Fridman.
Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think and hope that you're wrong. There's always been cheese, and there's a lot of it now. But there is still a market for top-notch insight. For example, Perun. This guy delivers an hourlong presentation on (mostly) the Ukraine-Russia war and its pure quality. Insights, humour, excellent delivery, from what seems to be a military-focused economist/analyst/consultant. We're a while away from some bot taking this ki…
Different strokes for different folks... We all seek different kinds of quality; I don't find Peruns videos to have any quality except volume. He reads bullet points he has prepared, and makes predictable dad jokes in monotone, re-uses and reruns the same points, icons, slides, etc. Just personally, I find it really samey and some of the reporting has been delayed so much it's entirely detached from the ground by the…
I like a range of the Ukraine coverage. From stuff that comes in fast to the weekly roundup-with-analysis. E.g. Suchomimus has his own humour and angle on things, but if you don’t have a unique sense of humour or delivery then it’s easier for an AI to replace you.
Give it a year or three, up to the minute AI generated sitrep pulling in related media clips and adding commentary…not that hard to imagine.
Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective
#109NotebookLM's is incredibly good at generating the affect and structure of a quality podcast. This is in-line with all art, music, and video created by LMM at the moment. They are imitating a structure and affect, the quality of the content is largely irrelevant. I think the interesting thing is that most people don't really care, and AI is not to blame for that. Most books published today have the affect of a book, b…
The thing is, we have been here before. Think back to the mid-1980s and the first time everyone got their hands on a Casio or Yamaha keyboard with auto-accompaniment. It was a huge amount of fun to play with, just pressing a few buttons, playing a few notes and feeling like you were producing a "real" pop song. Meanwhile, any actual musicians were to be found crying in the corner of the room, not because a new tool h…
That's a really good analogy.
Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective
#110I don’t think this is all that impressive, the generated podcast is pretty shallow - lots of ‘whoa meta’ and the word ‘like’ thrown into every sentence. Yes, it will generate a middle-of-the-road waffling podcast, but not one with any real depth.
It doesn't matter. It will become a carrier for ads and that's all that matters to those who use NotebookML to generate those podcasts.