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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wear my Meta glasses all the time and use them to record all the time. It's fine, you're already surrounded by people who brandish their phones to record everything.

Yeah, but people who brandish their phones know that they're performing the act of recording. Glasses that record are exactly not that.

it's better with glasses actually as you have to stare at what you're recording (whereas hidden cameras and phones can record without you realizing that)

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Say what you want about Zuckerberg. But once again you have witnessed the heavy investment in reality labs to create a new XR glasses platform that potentially ticks all the boxes that will take consumer XR glasses mainstream: * Looks very cool and more natural. (In comparison, look at Snap XR Glasses) * No wires sticking out. * Not a huge VR headset. * Can see what you see through the lenses for XR capabilities. * C…

The "doesn't look too dorky" benchmark for me is the XReal Air line. They're a few years old now, and they aren't exactly AR glasses in the same way, but you'd expect the headline of this iteration of tech to be better looking. Not worse.

I wonder what's actually in the frames. You wouldn't put bulk there if you had any other choice.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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IMO, AR/VR remains mostly a software and UX problem, in that there's nothing particularly useful to do with it.

Yes, you can keep improving the hardware, but you'd think we would have figured out something that is better enough in VR or AR on current hardware. Even gamers, who are notoriously interested in buying silly peripherals, care almost zero about VR gaming. Even with huge games like Half-Life: Alyx that are universally praised and part of huge franchises from AAA developers.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Glasses that offer you an AR experience / HUD? Pretty cool Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? Downright creepy I think the best play here would be to release them without any camera functionality at all, or the connotations will be that weird, sweaty guy that no one wants to sit next to on the subway (see: Google Glass).

well they're not going to be sold to consumers (apparently they cost like 10k-ish to make)...but i'm curious how they'd do motion tracking without cameras though...

they have two tiny insects inside the device that are attracted and trying to bite the pupil in your eyes, by measuring their orientation they can figure out where you're looking

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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This is cool from a technical standpoint, but ultimately just feels like another gimmick. This feels like it's doing stuff that I could do faster or better (and definitely, more safely) on a computer or phone. I don't personally see the appeal of hands-free as a paradigm in most cases. Do we really want people talking on and looking at Zoom as they walk around the office? Or as they drive? Or as they are out shopping…

>Do we really want people talking on and looking at Zoom as they walk around the office? Or as they drive? Or as they are out shopping? I also see ESPN and YouTube, so yeah... this thing better detect when you're moving at speed and disable video apps.

People already do that using mobile phones. With glasses there is at least some visibility of things in front of you.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Decent hands on article from the verge with more info https://www.theverge.com/24253908/meta-orion-ar-glasses-demo... Wireless compute puck. 70 degree FOV. Resolution high enough to read text. Wrist band detects hand gestures and will be used in another product.

the wristband reminds me of the Myo armband, this thing you could wear to control a computer did meta buy them out?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/23/20881032/facebook-ctrl-la...

Context: I was part of this acquisition, but am no longer at Meta.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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On one hand - if the demos are representative, this looks like a very cool product right out of science fiction. On the other hand, Meta is one of the very last companies that I would trust to operate a fleet of network connected always-on cameras attached to everyone's faces. The privacy implications are pretty horrifying. Imagine if Meta decided to run facial recognition on-device and upload the results to their ad…

> Imagine if Meta decided to run facial recognition on-device and upload the results to their advertising services More like when they decide to do that. They want to capture and extrapolate any and all data possible from every possible source.

Oh, I am sure they'll try. The sales pitch is way too enticing for them to ignore. Imagine you're in a brick and mortar wireless store shopping for a new cell plan. A Meta user walks by, and you get caught in a frame. A facial recognition scan quickly links you to your shadow profile, and an image recognition model identifies that you are phone shopping. Meta knows who you are and pings your current carrier who quickly dispatches a phone call to you with a pre-emptive retention offer. It may sound outlandish, but all the pieces are there to do this today.

IMHO, we need strong regulation of facial recognition technology. The conversation too often focuses on law enforcement use - don't get me wrong, that is also important, but it completely ignores the risk posed by private databases.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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This is cool from a technical standpoint, but ultimately just feels like another gimmick. This feels like it's doing stuff that I could do faster or better (and definitely, more safely) on a computer or phone. I don't personally see the appeal of hands-free as a paradigm in most cases. Do we really want people talking on and looking at Zoom as they walk around the office? Or as they drive? Or as they are out shopping…

What's weird to me with the call example is I can receive a video call but I can't respond with a video of me.

And I find being on a video call with someone just on audio very creepy.

If I'm not a weirdo for that, then it's distinctly worse than a hands free voice call, which we already have

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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post #44

On one hand - if the demos are representative, this looks like a very cool product right out of science fiction. On the other hand, Meta is one of the very last companies that I would trust to operate a fleet of network connected always-on cameras attached to everyone's faces. The privacy implications are pretty horrifying. Imagine if Meta decided to run facial recognition on-device and upload the results to their ad…

Especially after the whole Occulus Facebook account fiasco. The technology looks great but I have zero interest in owning a Facebook product because they can't be trusted, full stop.

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