"The Future" in the meantime we will keep doing our stuff, building walled gardens of AI generated spam and slop, and claiming our AI models are open source when they are not.
The faster Meta dies, the better it would be.
Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Perhaps from their users' data? nope, not yet. FAIR, the people that do the bigboi training, for a lot of their stuff cant even see user data, because the place they do the training can't support the access. Its not like openAI where the lawyers don't even know whats going on, because they've not yet been properly taken to court. at Meta, the lawyers are everywhere and if you do naughty shit to user data, you are g…
> the lawyers are everywhere and if you do naughty shit to user data, you are going to be absolutely fucked. I even provided the links that has screenshots of their opt-out form. --- start quote --- Al at Meta is our collection of generative Al features and experiences, like Meta Al and Al Creative Tools, along with the models that power them. Information you've shared on our Products and services could be things lik…
> I even provided the links that has screenshots of their opt-out form.
and I am asking you to think like a lawyer.
The reason they are doing this is because they want to access user data. They cannot yet.
As I stated in the post, FAIR can't process user data, as a large part of their infra doesn't support it.
If the rest of the AI team want to process the shit people enter into it, they need to get explicit legal review to do so. This warning/ToC change is the direct result of that.
bear in mind that the FCC audits the place every year, so if they see that the lawyers have gone "nope do use that data until we have implied permission" and then the audit turns up that they've just ignored the lawyers, its going to cost literal billions.
> We may still process information about you
Can you outline how might someone reliably and accurately detect your face in a photo taken by a tourist in a public place?
Again, that's lawyer for covering arses.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Crayons aren’t made by mashing people’s artwork through a gpu. Crayons don’t generate content either. If I download something from megaupload (rip) megaupload is the one that gets in trouble. They are storing, compressing, and shipping that information to me. The same thing happens with AI, the information is just encoded in the model weights instead of a video or text encoding or whatever. When you download a model,…
This seems more like an argument that the model just shouldn’t have been created, or that it shouldn’t be used. If a model is just an lossy compressed version of a bunch of infringing content, why would Facebook (or OpenAI, or anybody else hosting a model and providing an API to it) be in the clear?
Tech likes to follow the “ask for forgiveness, not for permission “ motto.
If OpenAI, Facebook, or whoever asked for permission to gobble up all publicly visible data to train a program to output statistically similar data, I don’t believe they would’ve got the permission.
In that sense, I don’t think these models should’ve been made.
I dont think any of those companies would be in the clear. That’s my point.
AI is a copyright black hole, albeit a useful one.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the lawyers are everywhere and if you do naughty shit to user data, you are going to be absolutely fucked. I even provided the links that has screenshots of their opt-out form. --- start quote --- Al at Meta is our collection of generative Al features and experiences, like Meta Al and Al Creative Tools, along with the models that power them. Information you've shared on our Products and services could be things lik…
> I even provided the links that has screenshots of their opt-out form. and I am asking you to think like a lawyer. The reason they are doing this is because they want to access user data. They cannot yet . As I stated in the post, FAIR can't process user data, as a large part of their infra doesn't support it. If the rest of the AI team want to process the shit people enter into it, they need to get explicit legal r…
> and I am asking you to think like a lawyer.
Given that Facebook explicitly said they are going to use user data for training if their AIs and given that Facebook explicitly designed the opt-out form as cumbersome as possible while at the same time saying they will not even honor it if it suits them... they've already talked to their lawyers.
> Can you outline how might someone reliably and accurately detect your face in a photo taken by a tourist in a public place
If a friend of mine didn't go through the consent form and posts a picture of me, Facebook will use that for their AI
If a friend of mine didn't go through the consent form and posts information about me, Facebook will use that for their AI
> Again, that's lawyer for covering arses.
Lawyers explicitly covering their asses would not even allow opt in by default, and statements like "we're still using your data even if you opt out".
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it was really open-source you'd be able to just train one yourself.
This sort of puts the whole notion of "open source" at risk. Code is a single input and is cheap to compile, modify, and distribute. It's cheap to run. Models are many things: data sets, data set processing code, training code, inference code, weights, etc. But it doesn't even matter if all of these inputs are "open source". Models take millions of dollars to train, and the inference costs aren't cheap either. edit:…
> We might be looking at a time where giants eat small software due to the cost and scale barriers.
This assumes that abstractions are no longer possible.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I even provided the links that has screenshots of their opt-out form. and I am asking you to think like a lawyer. The reason they are doing this is because they want to access user data. They cannot yet . As I stated in the post, FAIR can't process user data, as a large part of their infra doesn't support it. If the rest of the AI team want to process the shit people enter into it, they need to get explicit legal r…
> and I am asking you to think like a lawyer. Given that Facebook explicitly said they are going to use user data for training if their AIs and given that Facebook explicitly designed the opt-out form as cumbersome as possible while at the same time saying they will not even honor it if it suits them... they've already talked to their lawyers. > Can you outline how might someone reliably and accurately detect your fa…
So here in GDPR land, there is the concept of reasonableness.
Facebook are explicitly not allowed to farm for PII, so unless they have explicit consent, they can't scan for faces to reject people who have opted out. Plus, how do you hold a descriptor for someone who's opted out, because you're not allowed to hold any data on them?
Therefore its unreasonable for them to guarantee them they will never process your data when submitted by a third party.
You seem to be taking my comments as a pro-meta stance. Its very much not.
If you can design a way to stop people's data being processed when uploaded by a third party, I want in on that. lets start a movement to get it working.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and I am asking you to think like a lawyer. Given that Facebook explicitly said they are going to use user data for training if their AIs and given that Facebook explicitly designed the opt-out form as cumbersome as possible while at the same time saying they will not even honor it if it suits them... they've already talked to their lawyers. > Can you outline how might someone reliably and accurately detect your fa…
So here in GDPR land, there is the concept of reasonableness. Facebook are explicitly not allowed to farm for PII, so unless they have explicit consent, they can't scan for faces to reject people who have opted out. Plus, how do you hold a descriptor for someone who's opted out, because you're not allowed to hold any data on them? Therefore its unreasonable for them to guarantee them they will never process your data…
> Facebook are explicitly not allowed to farm for PII, so unless they have explicit consent
And for the past 8 years Facebook has been fighting this in courts and kept collecting every scrap of data they could get their hands on
> Therefore its unreasonable for them to guarantee them they will never process your data when submitted by a third party.
No, it's not unreasonable. They wouldn't be in this situation if they didn't opt everyone by default in the first place. They very explicitly looked at your "not allowed to farm for PII", said "fuck it, we have deep pockets and lawyers" and literally opted every one into PII farming.
> If you can design a way to stop people's data being processed when uploaded by a third party, I want in on that.
Don't farm it in the first place. Don't opt-in everyone by default into your PII farming machine.
It's also funny how you went from "AI people have no access to user data" to "oh they cannot guarantee user data for people who explicitly opted-out won't end up in the models"
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
So here in GDPR land, there is the concept of reasonableness. Facebook are explicitly not allowed to farm for PII, so unless they have explicit consent, they can't scan for faces to reject people who have opted out. Plus, how do you hold a descriptor for someone who's opted out, because you're not allowed to hold any data on them? Therefore its unreasonable for them to guarantee them they will never process your data…
> Facebook are explicitly not allowed to farm for PII, so unless they have explicit consent And for the past 8 years Facebook has been fighting this in courts and kept collecting every scrap of data they could get their hands on > Therefore its unreasonable for them to guarantee them they will never process your data when submitted by a third party. No, it's not unreasonable. They wouldn't be in this situation if the…
> It's also funny how you went from "AI people have no access to user data"
No, I said they didn't _yet_. hence this thing.
> Don't farm it in the first place.
how do you host photos?
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cool. What Meta is doing is better than cigarettes from the perspective of addiction. If Meta is the best we have, then we'd better create something better, or prepare for the inevitable enshittification.
I love it. TOBACCO PRODUCTION MUST BE DECENTRLIZED.
Good old tobacco farms.