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Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by falcor84 »

yarg wrote: post #96
kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

It wasn't really a java implementation - they used the APIs, but broke compatibility.

Oh, I wasn't aware of that - what did they change?

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by falcor84 »

redslazer wrote: post #77
kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

Iceland the country won its trademark case agains Iceland the supermarket chain so there is probably something to it. EUIPO "[Iceland Supermarket] cannot reasonably trademark the name of a country that has been around since the 9th century".

I didn't know that was decided, and was just catching up on it now. This was a fun read:

> Mr Walker and other high-level executives from Iceland (the supermarket), took an emergency delegation to Iceland (the country), where they were met with a cold shoulder.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-13/iceland-country-secur...

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by pipeline_peak »

>GraalVM is far from a canonical JavaScript implementation; engines like V8, JavaScriptCore, and SpiderMonkey hold that role.

>you must dig into the documentation to find its support.

Okay but it’s in the documentation which ruins your whole “abandonment” argument.

Even still, they clearly have their own use of JavaScript, albeit not “canonical”, whatever the author meant by that bitter refutal.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

#104

Post by jonny_eh »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #33
jonny_eh wrote: post #23

Oracle still uses Java though. You can't spell JavaScript without Java. Regardless, JavaScript is now much larger than Java, so the trademark for JS should at least revert to the public.

There are enough open source interpreters/engines. Let's fork it and call it WebPageScript.

I'd call it "JS"

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

#105

Post by austin-cheney »

jandrese wrote: post #57
austin-cheney wrote: post #8

JavaScript is just a name. The current language's official name, according to the specification defining that language, is ECMAScript. If the trademark is a problem then simply call it by a different name.

Nobody likes "ECMAScript". What a dog's breakfast of a name. Is Webscript already taken? If not I vote for that. I guess those node weirdos who want to write commandline programs using it might complain, but I think we can afford to lose them.

Call it whatever you want. The name you pick is an irrelevant aside. That is why Microsoft used to call it JScript, because the name doesn't matter as long as its not that one protected name.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by vidzert »

According to comments in this post, it appears that Oracle is defending the use of the name "JavaScript" in some cases. However, the internet is filled with various resources that use "JavaScript" in their names. I'm curious if there are any confirmed instances of Oracle suing someone for using this name, or if these are just false rumors and Oracle is merely reserving the right to do so in the future.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by cxr »

yarg wrote: post #96
kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

It wasn't really a java implementation - they used the APIs, but broke compatibility.

Geez, not this shit again. (One of the many ways you could tell Oracle was doomed in trying to find and convincingly argue a tenable position against Google: half the people half the time argued that Google should be sued for implementing Java, and the other half the time argued that they should be sued for not implementing Java.)

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by kragen »

pimlottc wrote: post #93
kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

Most /populous/ island is what I presume you mean.

yes, thank you, that was a stupid mistake on my part!

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by jbverschoor »

layer8 wrote: post #81
johannes1234321 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"JavaSciript" implies it's some scripting language related to Java, which was originally an idea, where it was meant to control Java Applets. But that is not a thing anymore. Thus the name makes no sense. "JS" is just a name only conflicting with my initials.

The name was exclusively chosen based on marketing considerations, to have it benefit from the Java hype of the time. It was actually called LiveScript before.

They succeeded though
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