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Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Post by vkou »

parineum wrote: post #100
vkou wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These deaths weren't caused by an oopsie daisies accident, this was a clear, blatant prioritisation of personal profit over human lives, with numerous warnings and opportunities to pull back. The plant's been operating despite years of failing inspections, and anyone in the industry knows that it shouldn't have. Evil is the pursuit of personal gain at the direct expense of the welfare of others. This is the poster ch…

And justice is finding 9 or more people and executing them? It's clear you don't care about justice or you'd be looking for the people responsible and punishing them based on how much culpability they have, personally. What you're describing is eye-for-an-eye vengeance.

The harm was much greater than nine deaths, many other people were poisoned. Someone is responsible. They won't be held responsible under our current regulatory and liability framework.

If you want this kind of malfeasance to stop, that framework needs to be changed. There's a fundamental disconnect between decision-makers and beneficiaries of this harm, and the responsibility that they get to shirk.

Consider that tampering with food (for no personal gain) that doesn't seriously harm anyone carries sentences of multiple years. Scale this proportionately.

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Post by SllX »

nerdjon wrote: post #99
SllX wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep saying that in this thread, but Boar’s Head does taste better than the crap that was more common before it. I’ve since found better deli meats, but even if I never eat another Boar’s Head product again, I’ll never eat Oscar Meyer or the other crap that was on the shelf next to it either again, or whatever Safeway was selling in its deli before they did their whole rebrand to serving Boar’s Head (actually…

Tastes better but also has a better texture. For me it got to the point that I would rather have deli meat less than get more of some cheaper brand.

Only job of my life I miss is the one where I had at-will access to an espresso machine and deli slicer. Thinly sliced London Broil Roast Beef as thin as the slicer will allow fresh off the slicer just can’t be beat.

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Post by skhunted »

AyyEye wrote: post #50

Buy your food from a local farmer. It is healthier and tastes better (and doesnt support big agra corps). For everyone that thought boars head was 'premium' you'll be blown away. Even the lowest quality local farms are usually going to be better than the best industrial producers. You can often buy a whole (or half or 1/4) animal. They will have a butcher to process the animals for you. Search for "community supporte…

There aren’t enough local farmers for all 350 million people in the U.S. for this to be practical advice. It is only practical for a fraction of the population.

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Post by ahefner »

buildsjets wrote: post #9
sickofparadox wrote: post #5

Does anyone think there is room for a D2C company to start curing its own meats and deliver cold cuts to people's doorstep?

Startup cured deli meats sounds like a recipe for distributed delivery of salmonella.

Salmonella as a Service!

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Post by Suppafly »

dan_quixote wrote: post #38
Suppafly wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I used to swear by Boars Head and would choose the store I am going too based on if they carried it. This, we used to get meat from the 'good' Kroger because their deli had a better selection than the one in our neighborhood. If the premium brand is poison, I'm not sure what that says for the budget brands.

I think your perception of "premium" is flawed in this case.

What's a brand that regularly available in stores that you like?

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Post by ddmf »

dredmorbius wrote: post #86
binary132 wrote: post #85

I feel certain that the entire industry is probably at least this bad. It’s not a question of if, but when.

It's a Jungle out there... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle > (Meant to promote awareness of worker safety rather than food hygiene. "I aimed at the public's heart, and by accident I hit it in the stomach" -- Sinclair. Still, its impact and legacy are profound.)

People think I'm crazy, 'cause I worry all the time

If you paid attention, you'd be worried too

You better pay attention

Or this world you love so much might just kill you

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Post by engineer_22 »

briffle wrote: post #61
engineer_22 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From this, and linked articles on New York Times, the suggestion is laxed food safety standards are endemic across the entire processed food industry.

Goes way before that: https://www.history.com/news/upton-sinclair-the-jungle-us-fo...

If I remember my US History USDA was a direct response to The Jungle. Society at the time was appalled, and demanded govt action.

Similar to the response to Silent Spring and the standing up of EPA.

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Post by dredmorbius »

ddmf wrote: post #106
dredmorbius wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a Jungle out there... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle > (Meant to promote awareness of worker safety rather than food hygiene. "I aimed at the public's heart, and by accident I hit it in the stomach" -- Sinclair. Still, its impact and legacy are profound.)

People think I'm crazy, 'cause I worry all the time If you paid attention, you'd be worried too You better pay attention Or this world you love so much might just kill you

Randy Newman, notable for use as the theme to Monk:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Jungle_Out_There_(song)>

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Post by gamblor956 »

AyyEye wrote: post #81
gamblor956 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The farmers almost never do the processing, Certainly none of the farms I have seen do. Which defeats the point of buying the foods at issue from a farmer, unless you are suggesting that everyone buy the equipment they need to make deli meat at home from the quarter-cow they just purchased. Both the animals and the processing are done with as many corners cut as they can get away with because something thats simply n…

> Which defeats the point of buying the foods at issue from a farmer, unless you are suggesting that everyone buy the equipment they need to make deli meat at home from the quarter-cow they just purchased. Most farmers have a butcher that they will bring the animal to so you don't need to handle it. I have never had to process any animals myself or even bring them to a butcher. Considering your whole post is based of…

I have never had to process any animals myself or even bring them to a butcher. Considering your whole post is based off that faulty assumption I'll end replying to you directly there.

Consider yourself lucky. I grew up in cow country. Most farmers will provide you the meat itself and leave it up to you to process the meat or find a processor. Having the meat sent to a processor (or butcher) is an extra service that you pay separately for.

So yes, there's a strawman in your comment but it's not mine.

Re: Boar's Head plant posed an 'imminent threat' years before listeria outbreak

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Post by parineum »

vkou wrote: post #101
parineum wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And justice is finding 9 or more people and executing them? It's clear you don't care about justice or you'd be looking for the people responsible and punishing them based on how much culpability they have, personally. What you're describing is eye-for-an-eye vengeance.

The harm was much greater than nine deaths, many other people were poisoned. Someone is responsible. They won't be held responsible under our current regulatory and liability framework. If you want this kind of malfeasance to stop, that framework needs to be changed. There's a fundamental disconnect between decision-makers and beneficiaries of this harm, and the responsibility that they get to shirk. Consider that ta…

And why 9 or more? What if there are only 8 that can be found responsible?
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