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Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

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post #42

There exists only one correct design of microwave ovens. It has zero ICs. It has exactly two direct user-inputs and one indirect. The two dials select on-time and duty-cycle (cooking time and "power"). The third input is the safety switch which deactivates the cycle when the door opens. This design is the most userfriendly, the most economic and the most reliable. This is the hill I will die on.

Simple is good but another approach to simplicity would be more sensors (weight, thermal, steam, optical?) and a single "cook" button (or a menu/dial with few different cook options, defrost, warm, hot).

For casual use the UX is superior as it requires less micromanagement. Also lot more difficult to engineer well, though.

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#102
post #92

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>The lack of give-a-shit in appliances is becoming apparent. Because most budget name brand kitchen appliances are just rebadged Haier/Midea OEM designs. I know HN has a hate boner for Samsung and LG appliances but for me they seem to be the most trustworthy budget appliances since at least they have their own designs instead of rebadging Chinese OEM ones like the rest. Sure, if you have money you can go with a reput…

I dunno about the fawning over Bosch. My Bosch induction cooktop performs far worse than the half price GE Profile cooktop I had at my previous house. The Bosch does not heat evenly at all - almost all energy is focused in the center of the pan. I'm hating it so much I'm about to rip it out and replace it either with another GE or an LG. My mom got an LG induction range and I took my largest pan over to her house, pu…

Agree, I've once bought Bosch washing mashine and it was noisy bad washing mess. After year of usage I've replaced it with LG with direct drive for ~same price and it is just another level - larger 8kg drum iso 5kg in same dimensions, low noise drive and pump, good washing and rinsing with bonus IoT integration.

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#103
post #20

We recently got rid of a four year old microwave where the magnetron turned on spontaneously and silently when the door was closed, runaway heating the box. Control panel, lights, turntable, fan, everything is idle. Manufacturer didn't consider this an interesting defect and refused to swap out-of-warranty. The lack of give-a-shit in appliances is becoming apparent.

A defect like that would make it illegal to sell in my country. One big splash on a major network and they will probably go scrambling. Have you contacted anyone other than the manufacturer?

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Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#104
post #20

We recently got rid of a four year old microwave where the magnetron turned on spontaneously and silently when the door was closed, runaway heating the box. Control panel, lights, turntable, fan, everything is idle. Manufacturer didn't consider this an interesting defect and refused to swap out-of-warranty. The lack of give-a-shit in appliances is becoming apparent.

A defect like that would make it illegal to sell in my country. One big splash on a major network and they will probably go scrambling. Have you contacted anyone other than the manufacturer?

No. I bitched about it on an old social media platform called Twitter but it never got any traction.

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#105

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Maybe a dumb question, but why do consumer microwaves have all these power settings (600W, 800W, 1000W) if apparently they are useless? I don't really know how microwaving works on a physical level - do I achieve the same effect by microwaving something for 30 seconds at 1000W or 1 minute at 500W?

The difference is amazing. 1kW uninterrupted is the "dry my food" setting. Reheating chicken like that basically dries and cooks it again. At half the power and twice the time you can have an actual warm, soft chicken again. Try heating something you cooked yourself recently and you'll see the difference clearly.

Alternative take: don't reheat chicken in the microwave. A good toaster oven reheats (non-sauced) meats a lot better.

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#106
post #10

I migrated our house to a "commercial" variant of the microwave oven [1] as I was tired of all the over-engineering and annoying patterns in modern microwaves. This microwave has exactly UI element other than the door - a digital dial that goes from 10s-6m. No start/cancel, no power level, no defrost, no program mode. I don't "cook" using the oven, only reheat or very rarely heat/boil small quantities of water. The m…

Maybe a dumb question, but why do consumer microwaves have all these power settings (600W, 800W, 1000W) if apparently they are useless? I don't really know how microwaving works on a physical level - do I achieve the same effect by microwaving something for 30 seconds at 1000W or 1 minute at 500W?

This is like asking "Why does a kitchen stove have a range of settings on a dial when simply having the burner be on or off would also be able to cook food?"

And the answer is simple: Because they can be useful settings.

The food being warmed does conduct heat, but it is not an ideal conductor of heat.

And microwave ovens (just as any other kind of oven I can think of) heat from the outside. And they're supposed to make things easier and simpler.

So let's make an example: Leftover refried beans, still cold from the fridge.

I can put them in a bowl at 100% power for three minutes, and they'll probably explode and make a mess and still have parts that are cold. This "works" but it's obviously not very good. (I can mitigate some of the mess by using a cover of some kind, but that's also kind of shit.)

Or: I can put them in for a minute or two at 100%, and then stir them, and then run them for a another minute, and then stir them again, and maybe then do another minute. This "works" but it's enough work that perhaps I would be better off to skip the bowl and warm them up in a pan on the stove instead.

Or: I can set the microwave to (say) 40% duty cycle, and put them in for whatever I think is a reasonable time for the volume of beans at that duty cycle. Let's say 5 or 6 minutes.

It's slower, which prevents layers from getting stupid-hot and explodey, and gives the beans more time to reach thermal equilibrium. It's completely hands-off once the buttons are pushed. I'll probably still give them a stir before serving, but they'll be fine.

(I'm a fan of simplicity, but I'm not a fan of lack of control like OP's microwave offers as a primary selling point.

The microwave oven that we had when I was growing up was simple and functional: It had mechanical timer switch with a mechanical bell to set the cook time and announce the end of a run, which is about as simple as it can get while retaining any aspect of automation. It also had an analog dial with which the duty cycle could be continuously set, from somewhere between ~5% to 100%, and this duty cycle could even be changed while the machine was running. No computers, and nothing particularly electronic at all. Just a timer and [what was probably] a heated bimetallic switch (just like a common, cheap electric range uses).)

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#107
post #10

I migrated our house to a "commercial" variant of the microwave oven [1] as I was tired of all the over-engineering and annoying patterns in modern microwaves. This microwave has exactly UI element other than the door - a digital dial that goes from 10s-6m. No start/cancel, no power level, no defrost, no program mode. I don't "cook" using the oven, only reheat or very rarely heat/boil small quantities of water. The m…

I inherited my Moulinex microwave from my mother thirty years ago. Apart from the internal lamp failing it is in perfect order. No electronic controls just a power dial, clockwork timer.

There was a time in the 1990s when a product was sold that was intended to cure that problem: A microwave light bulb.

And by "microwave light bulb" I don't mean the 25-Watt appliance bulb that is buried inside of your Moulinex, but a light bulb that was meant to be placed in the corner of the microwave oven.

Microwave on? Light bulb turns some of that RF energy into light energy, and illuminates the interior. Microwave off? Light goes dark.

I couldn't find any reference to them having existed when I last looked a few years ago, and I don't have time to look again right now, but it was a thing that was advertised on TV and sold on J-hooks in big grocery stores. It definitely existed. (It may have even been something that my mother bought once, but that concept is less clear in the ol' memory hole.)

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

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Partially off-topic, but I’ve seen complaints in the thread about microwaves in general. Here’s the trick — buy a commercial microwave. They’re reliable, powerful, and have only a few features. They come in all sizes. You’ll put less duty on one in a month than a commercial kitchen does in one day, so it will last forever. Time is money in a kitchen so they’re powerful and fast. They tend to have very simple, direct…

Can confirm. We got a commercial-grade Panasonic microwave I believe, that survived near daily use for almost 9 years before the magnetron finally gave out. We replaced it with an identical model, and it must be a pretty good one since a cursory comparison inside between the old and new revealed virtually no changes since our old one was made. If it ain't broke...

I cooked for a family in part with a consumer-grade, Walmart-sourced Panasonic inverter microwave oven for a dozen years until circumstances made me get rid of (donate) it.

No issues ever. It was reliable, had some useful programming options (that nobody ever used but me, but it had them), and it did a good job of microwaving food in a consistent and predictable manner.

(But that's not an indication that inverters are reliable, or that consumer is the same as professional, or that Panasonic is good, or of anything else really other than that anecdotes are anecdotes.)

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#109
post #94
post #63

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> Sure, if you have money you can go with a reputable brand like Bosch & Siemens Just FTR they're exactly the same -- "BSH Hausgeräte GmbH" -- with just a different label on it. ... And I didn't have a single good experience in the last years, IMO they're designed for planned obsolescence. E.g. my premium Bosch Hand mixer broke after 2.5 years. Afterwards I bought a >35 years old used RG28e for half the price and it'…

Interesting that you had to resort to a product of communism to overcome these planned obsolete devices that capitalism is producing.

Communism sucks at building cutting edge devices, but good at basic low-tech items that are easily user repairable and made to last.

Re: Microwave spontaneously turned on by its LED display

#110
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I inherited my Moulinex microwave from my mother thirty years ago. Apart from the internal lamp failing it is in perfect order. No electronic controls just a power dial, clockwork timer.

There was a time in the 1990s when a product was sold that was intended to cure that problem: A microwave light bulb. And by "microwave light bulb" I don't mean the 25-Watt appliance bulb that is buried inside of your Moulinex, but a light bulb that was meant to be placed in the corner of the microwave oven. Microwave on? Light bulb turns some of that RF energy into light energy, and illuminates the interior. Microwa…

Normal fluorescent lights will glow in a microwave.

Mr. Wizard demonstrates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_iQ54aQ_-I

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