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Re: Kagi Assistant

#101

Post by unshavedyak »

freedomben wrote: post #62
unshavedyak wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paid Kagi user here. I love the AI additions, because to me it's an alternate interface to the core selling point: search. Whether or not Kagi can achieve more than the "search alone is hard enough" point however is fair - though i've been happy so far.

Same. I love the AI additions and I think they've introduced them very thoughtfully. To me, the best part of the AI additions is that it can (almost instantaneously) summarize information from the several top hits of a search. This is subtly but importantly different from having the LLM spit out an answer based on it's knowledge base, and also is able to quickly and easily cite it's sources! Extremely useful to me.

Agreed! To me LLMs as they stand now are a natural extension of the classic "Google". Which is to say a Natural Language -> Search Results list. People (and products lol) got hung up on LLMs returning the answers directly.. and while they've been a definite disappointment in that realm, they can be great for summarizing and aggregating imo.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#102

Post by dawnerd »

freedomben wrote: post #75
dubme1 wrote: post #45

Paid Kagi user here. I REALLY wish Kagi would focus on it's core selling point: search. Building a search engine is hard enough. I use Kagi Search everyday and I am mostly happy with it but the product has a lot of room for improvment. Stop launching new products (browser, summarizer, gpt, assistant) while your core product is still behind the competition in many areas.

The AI additions IMHO are search. Historically search gave us an ordered list of results, but there's no reason it needs to. The Kagi quick answer for example is phenomenal IMHO. Most of the time I am searching is because I need information for something. The "quick answer" and it's source citing can much more quickly tell me whether the results are worth a click. At this point I would hate to return to the old list…

I think the problem is we're blending two different methodologies for finding information. When I search for something I want to get to the source. Others just want the answer. Ideally it should still be smart enough to figure that out, kinda what it does already if you search with a question.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#103

Post by mtrovo »

> You can edit the question and add that you’re working on a binary classification problem to get a more specific answer.

This mid-thread editing feature sounds really useful, I'm curious how does it work when you switch between models in the middle of a conversation?

Like, say I start with a general search question, then halfway through I want to switch to a coding model to ask something like, "Can you create a Python dictionary of the top 10 longest city names in the UK and their populations?"

Does the context carry over smoothly, or would I need to rephrase things when switching models? Wondering how it handles tasks that require different kinds of expertise without losing track of the flow.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#104

Post by Havoc »

bangaladore wrote: post #9
cstuder wrote: post #5

So for 25$ a month I get access to ChatGPT and Claude offerings in addition to access to Kagi search. This sounds like a good deal, compared to the 20$/month access to ChatGPT only. Or am I missing something?

You can use something like OpenRouter, which lets you access essentially all commercially available models. Including open-source models. There are no rate limits. You pay a different rate per model (OpenRouter shows the pricing transparently). You load your account with credits. I use it daily (undoubtedly far more than the average user) and loaded 50$ with credits five months ago, but I still have over 1/2 of it le…

OpenRouter absolutely does have rate limits:

https://openrouter.ai/docs/limits

...haven't had issues with them, but they are there

Re: Kagi Assistant

#105

Post by littlecranky67 »

eli wrote: post #83
msmithstubbs wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try this: https://kagi.com/search?q=remarkable+pro+site%3Areddit.com It includes Reddit results from less than 24 hours ago.

Ah hmm. Maybe they are doing something special with "site:reddit.com" queries. If I search for that exact Reddit post using the lens it isn't there. https://kagi.com/search?q=ReMarkable+Paper+Pro+hands-on+revi...

Well, there never was any law that required robots.txt to be honored. Big players like Google do, but I am not aware of any consequences if they wouldnt (of course UNTIL it is then regulated).

Re: Kagi Assistant

#106

Post by bastawhiz »

dubme1 wrote: post #45

Paid Kagi user here. I REALLY wish Kagi would focus on it's core selling point: search. Building a search engine is hard enough. I use Kagi Search everyday and I am mostly happy with it but the product has a lot of room for improvment. Stop launching new products (browser, summarizer, gpt, assistant) while your core product is still behind the competition in many areas.

I couldn't disagree any harder. When I can't find an answer, I turn to LLMs. I don't want to read half the docs on an AWS product, I want the snippet of code that I care about. Kagi, as best as I can tell, is the only search service which can answer these questions and also respects me as a customer.

I think of it this way: there's often not a single page (or even small handful of pages) that answer a query. The LLM features answer the question with text that links to the pages, rather than answering my question with pages that might contain pieces of answers.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#109

Post by blackeyeblitzar »

cstuder wrote: post #5

So for 25$ a month I get access to ChatGPT and Claude offerings in addition to access to Kagi search. This sounds like a good deal, compared to the 20$/month access to ChatGPT only. Or am I missing something?

What is the best paid service for private, anonymous, censorship free access to an LLM chatbot? Are there any that let you choose between multiple LLM backends to be able to compare answers or avoid being subject to secret system prompts, while still retaining privacy?

Re: Kagi Assistant

#110

Post by lovemenot »

MostlyStable wrote: post #82
ziddoap wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And unlike DDG, the quality of the results is actually great. Any chance you can expand on this? I've used DDG for years and find the results great, but maybe we just query for different things. Is there any specific topics that you find DDG is bad at but Kagi is good at?

I'm a paying Kagi user. I don't think that I can give a clear example or explanation of why they are better, partly because it's been a long time since I used DDG, and I gave up pretty quickly. The one thing I can say is that, for the short time I was using DDG, I found myself doing a search, and then in most cases, immediately redoing the search using the !g, because the DDG results were bad, and even though I am al…

>> Might be worth using their free tier (which is 100 queries per month I think)

100 in total, it seems

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