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Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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Post by matheusmoreira »

diegoholiveira wrote: post #46
flotzam wrote: post #8

Just how important are the ground stations in Brazil? (I don't mean the end user terminals.) If Starlink will basically continue to work well enough if those are seized, it seems like the obvious next steps are going to be crypto/stablecoin payments and a focus on small form factor terminals like Starlink Mini that can bypass customs.

> Just how important are the ground stations in Brazil? Is used by the military, hospitals and schools on remote places on the amazon rainforest.

Hilariously, the brazilian military published a report on the impact of Starlink's blocking to their operations. One would think this would get them to fund a proper space program.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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Post by tmottabr »

piva00 wrote: post #97
defrost wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's no visible rhyme or reason why .. Somebody made a case in an earlier thread (that I haven't had time to pursue) that Brazil has the largest lithium mining company (not fields or mines) with standing contracts in South America .. and they claimed that Musk wants to seed unrest | see Bolsonaro (or his party) back in to get a better deal on raw materials for his battery factories in Texas. That has a plausible…

Bolsonaro wanted to remove environmental protections and exploit mining resources in the Amazon, I feel this to be the only real reason why Elon has started to pushback hard against a Lula government who is driving Brazil back into protecting the Amazon (at least somewhat, still much more than openly supporting illegal mining as Bolsonaro's government did).

Not only that..

Both Tesla and BYD had negotiations to buy Sigma Lithium, the largest lithium mining company in Latam, where the world largest lithium reserves are..

Bolsonaro, and the right in general, is known to be anti-china and could help blocking BYD acquisition, that would favor Tesla that would be able to buy it cheaper then if he has to outbid BYD...

Cutting the Chinese access to latam lithium would also harm their expansion plans and slow their grow.. That would also favor Tesla as the Chinese is owning the market in many developing contries and are growing fast even in Europe..

Even in the US the Chinese EV are a problem to Tesla, to the point the government quadrupled the import taxes on Chinese EV..

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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Post by pyrale »

rowanG077 wrote: post #32
malermeister wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, it's the reason we shouldn't be shooting up Satellites for frivolous reasons like internet in the first place.

I really don't know what to tell you if you think one of the most practical human inventions in history is frivolous...

One could argue that we've had internet way before we've had Starlink. It's not entirely compelling, considering many people in more remote areas don't have great access, but it would also be a bit disingenuous to equate starlink and internet.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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Post by true_religion »

olivierduval wrote: post #55

Sorry I don't get: how is possible to find anybody defending Musk when the Supreme Court of a democracy ruled to exclude X from the country ? Free speech is a good thing AS LONG AS it respect the country laws. In France, the People decided democratically (through their elected representatives) against some kinds of so-called "free speech" (for example: racism apology). That's OUR choice, on OUR territory (like it or…

Free speech is an ideal, not a reflection of the laws of a single country.

Personally, I don’t think countries should get international control over satellites that they didn’t launch or operate.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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Post by ivewonyoung »

olivierduval wrote: post #55

Sorry I don't get: how is possible to find anybody defending Musk when the Supreme Court of a democracy ruled to exclude X from the country ? Free speech is a good thing AS LONG AS it respect the country laws. In France, the People decided democratically (through their elected representatives) against some kinds of so-called "free speech" (for example: racism apology). That's OUR choice, on OUR territory (like it or…

The judge has a history of actual censorship, here's a case that the NYT wrote about, where he got a Brazilian magazine's news article deleted for "fake news" for writing a true article about the official who promoted him, as soon as he got powers to censor without due process or checks and balances.

> To run the investigation, Mr. Toffoli tapped Mr. Moraes, 53, an intense former federal justice minister and constitutional law professor who had joined the court in 2017. > In his first action, Mr. Moraes ordered a Brazilian magazine, Crusoé, to remove an online article that showed links between Mr. Toffoli and a corruption investigation. Mr. Moraes called it “fake news.”

> Mr. Moraes later lifted the order after legal documents proved the article was accurate.

https://archive.is/plQFT

That article is from 2022 but has a lot of details of overreach by the judge, like search raids on the homes of businessman who just happened to be in a group chat where someone was joking about a coup.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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Post by nataliste »

olivierduval wrote: post #55

Sorry I don't get: how is possible to find anybody defending Musk when the Supreme Court of a democracy ruled to exclude X from the country ? Free speech is a good thing AS LONG AS it respect the country laws. In France, the People decided democratically (through their elected representatives) against some kinds of so-called "free speech" (for example: racism apology). That's OUR choice, on OUR territory (like it or…

Huh. Maybe you should take your own advice and mind France's business and leave Brazil's and Musk's alone. God knows your country needs it.

Tangential, but I stopped being upset about asinine takes on free speech and government when I realized that the overwhelming majority of them came from provincial and subjugated Brits, Europeans, and Australians. You can see the bed they've made in their own countries, which I think is punishment enough.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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Post by ivewonyoung »

hkt wrote: post #39
seydor wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Violent?

Here's some examples of the judge's overreach from a 2022 NYT article.

https://archive.is/plQFT

Police showing up at 6am to search your house because you happened to be in whatsapp group where someone else joked about a coup is definitely violence.

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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Post by ivewonyoung »

fmajid wrote: post #77
hkt wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's happening is clear: Elon doesn't like Lula, the Brazilian president. Lula is left wing: his predecessor was a Trump-esque idiot. I'd guess many of Lula's actual policies harm the Musk's material interests in some way, or are just things he doesn't like. It might literally just be that Musk has heard Lula is left wing and therefore wants to make life as hard as possible.

Judge Moraes has had his share of run-ins with Lula, and can hardly be described as a stooge for the Left. What he has been doing is go after Brazil's version of the Jan 6th insurrectionists, whom Musk is congenial to along with other far-right causes. As Germany showed, if you don't go after thugs when they are still in their inept beer-hall putsch phase, it is too late afterwards.

No, the judge's very first action after getting censorship super powers was to censor "fake news" about the official that gave him those powers, which later turned to be "true news".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41425086

Re: Starlink Defies Order to Block X in Brazil

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Post by ripjaygn »

batushka5 wrote: post #76

Barelly related, I was not Twitter user, but since X I come up with full length XXX movies in suggestions. Did it started with X or they were a thing before Elon?

Twitter always had a lot of NSFW content, but one of the new features that was rolled out under Musk was support for longer videos.

Before that videos could only be max 140 seconds long. Now the limit is 2 hours.

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