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Re: "Tinyboxes finally have a buy it now button"

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I thought to myself this morning: "boy, that $15k pricetage is tempting." Then I thought to myself "how many times have I downloaded a github repo only to hand-replace cuda with mps, and then tried to figure out if there's a version of xformers that will work this week with my m3?" and then I thought "boy, that $25k is tempting." (15k: Radeon / 25k: Nvidia). For those wondering, 3200W power, in residential / low-end…

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Re: "Tinyboxes finally have a buy it now button"

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see why 6 is inherently worse than 4 or 8, not all of the layers are exactly equal or a power of 2 in count. 2^2, 2^3, vs 2^1*3^1 might give you more options. The main issue I run into mainly is flops vs ram in any given card/model.

Usually you want to split each layer to run with tensor parallelism, which works optimally if you can assign each kv head to a specific GPU. All currently popular models have a power of 2 number of kv heads.

interesting, thank you for the pointers.

Re: "Tinyboxes finally have a buy it now button"

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post #66

I had a preorder in for this but I canceled a few weeks back. My experience trying to run machines this powerful in residential settings has been extremely poor. All of the Seasonic power supplies that go beyond 1kW or so will trip my shitty (i.e. probably defective) Siemens AFCI breakers. Not even the same circuit all the time. Even after violating local electrical code, I have found that living with a 1500w+ monste…

> All of the Seasonic power supplies that go beyond 1kW or so will trip my shitty (i.e. probably defective) Siemens AFCI breakers.

In my experience, the Siemens AFCI just do that. I recommend switching them out for Eaton AFCI. That fixed all my nuisance tripping, especially from induction in other lines

Re: "Tinyboxes finally have a buy it now button"

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely what they actually mean is: This server has two IEC C20 connectors, rated for ~16 amps, each feeding a PSU rated for 1600W (i.e. 16A @ 100v) If you're plugging in to 110v you shouldn't plug them both into the same outlet, as a 20A circuit can't supply 32A. As each PSU is rated for 1600W you'll have to plug both in to get 3200W even if you're running on 220v - although they'd only draw ~7.2A each in that c…

You can feed a US outlet the split phase 240V and get two 120V@20A each. It used to be done in kitchens in the US, back when appliances were power hungry. I have done so in my workshop for the same reason. Houses are wired in split phase 240V, with the neutral in the middle. That is, you have two opposite 120V phases, around the same neutral. This is a clever way to double the power, while adding a single wire. In th…

If you're talking about a workshop and anticipating that much ad-hoc power usage, I'd just put two dual 6-20 receptacles side by side rather than splitting one. And then since you're actually creating the premises wiring, stick an (L)14-20R next to them in parallel and get rid of your need to fuss with hacky combiner cords. At least that's what I plan to do when I have the time for such luxuries.

Re: "Tinyboxes finally have a buy it now button"

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post #84
post #66

I had a preorder in for this but I canceled a few weeks back. My experience trying to run machines this powerful in residential settings has been extremely poor. All of the Seasonic power supplies that go beyond 1kW or so will trip my shitty (i.e. probably defective) Siemens AFCI breakers. Not even the same circuit all the time. Even after violating local electrical code, I have found that living with a 1500w+ monste…

If you're spending $15k on a box, you can also spend $1200 for a small insulated shed kit and $800 for a small mini-split heat pump. I live in a much warmer summer climate than Texas and this solution works fine for me for my small network cabinet.

If the main argument for the box is compute/$, "and then you need to spend another 20% on top to even make it work" is not the most winningest position. (20% because you also need to pay an electrician for the two-circuit wiring. Well, three, you want to run the heat pump too)

At that point it isn't super price-efficient, it's an absolute space hog, and you need to maintain a whole bunch of infra. Still might work for you, but it's losing a lot of general appeal

Re: "Tinyboxes finally have a buy it now button"

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post #76

"tinybox red is 6x 7900XTX, tinybox green is 6x 4090" So the red is ~$5k in gpu's - where is the other $10k going?

Motherboard and CPU, memory, NVMe drives, PSUs, SlimSAS cables and breakouts, a custom machined case, assembly, support. You're free to try building one yourself for cheaper. If you consider your time for researching/assembling/testing it to be worthless, and are happy with a contraption in a miner frame, then you can probably do it.

PC builds seem to short circuit everyone's pricing logic and drive any labor cost down to $0, just because they're willing to do it for free. Anything above that $0 is considered overpriced.

Re: "Tinyboxes finally have a buy it now button"

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post #66

I had a preorder in for this but I canceled a few weeks back. My experience trying to run machines this powerful in residential settings has been extremely poor. All of the Seasonic power supplies that go beyond 1kW or so will trip my shitty (i.e. probably defective) Siemens AFCI breakers. Not even the same circuit all the time. Even after violating local electrical code, I have found that living with a 1500w+ monste…

Could you not duct the heat through a hose and out a window? Like with portable AC units

yep, or drop it in your basement. also, will help heat your home during winter.

Re: "Tinyboxes finally have a buy it now button"

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Very unusual specs on paper. - Air cooling 6x4090 and a 32 core CPU for sustained peak workloads. - 3200W total power when a single 4090 can draw close to 600W. Maybe they are targeting startups who aren't interested in overclocking.

A 4090 draws 450W unless you unlock the power limit

The workstation equivalent, the RTX 6000 Ada, defaults to 300W. You can get most of the performance of a 4090 by capping the power.

Re: "Tinyboxes finally have a buy it now button"

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I thought to myself this morning: "boy, that $15k pricetage is tempting." Then I thought to myself "how many times have I downloaded a github repo only to hand-replace cuda with mps, and then tried to figure out if there's a version of xformers that will work this week with my m3?" and then I thought "boy, that $25k is tempting." (15k: Radeon / 25k: Nvidia). For those wondering, 3200W power, in residential / low-end…

a 220 volt 20 amp circuit should be good for over 3500 watts constant load in North America. Why is it requiring two circuits?

There are few or no 220 volt circuits in North America. Your choices in that range are 208V or 240V.

But yes, a power supply can draw around 240V times 20A = 4800VA, which is nearly 4800W if the power factor is close to 1. An office in an office building is more likely to have 208V.

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