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Apple to upgrade base Macs to 16GB RAM, starting from Apple M4 models

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Re: Apple to upgrade base Macs to 16GB RAM, starting from Apple M4 models

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Post by replete »

paulmd wrote: post #90
replete wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about a specific issue known in the 2016+ laptops, I just don't want to carry the risk of this known issue bricking my laptop out of warranty. And still exists in the current ones. I have a 2012 i7 Thinkpad T530, that is still useful. My whole life desktop machines are usually useful for about a decade. Cheap laptops don't seem to last more than 4-5 years at most, but the top end laptops built really well can la…

there isn’t an “issue” beyond the TPM being a potential point of failure, and all x86 laptops nowadays have a similar TPM and similar point of failure. What do you think happens if your AMD cpu dies? That cpu has a pluton security module inside and if it dies, bye bye bitlocker keys. you’re getting downvoted because you’re spreading decade-old FUD from the days before the tech community had wrapped their head around…

There absolutely are issues, whether you accept it or not, and it is nothing to do with 'not trusting TPM'.

Apple SSDs engineered in the worst way possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qbrLiGY4Cg

Exploding USB-C MacBook Ports Explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAGnMR1aVuE

Re: Apple to upgrade base Macs to 16GB RAM, starting from Apple M4 models

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Post by croutonwagon »

danielktdoranie wrote: post #48

As an Apple fan, what Apple charges for RAM is insulting. Pre 2012 it was standard practice to buy your MacBook Pro with the minimum RAM, and you could upgrade the RAM yourself buying from Crucial and the like for WAY CHEAPER than what Apple sold the RAM for. To stop that Apple started soldering the RAM to the logic board. I’d have no problem buying RAM from Apple if they charged a fair market price. Sadly Apple seem…

THey did VERY similar with HDD's.

We were well into years of SSD's in laptops in the 2.5" sata format and Macbooks of the time (ie: 2012 models and even some after) were still chucking 5400 rpm spinning rust in there AND charging SSD prices for it.

It was bananas then, and they are just doing the same with a different component now.

Re: Apple to upgrade base Macs to 16GB RAM, starting from Apple M4 models

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Post by paulmd »

replete wrote: post #101
paulmd wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there isn’t an “issue” beyond the TPM being a potential point of failure, and all x86 laptops nowadays have a similar TPM and similar point of failure. What do you think happens if your AMD cpu dies? That cpu has a pluton security module inside and if it dies, bye bye bitlocker keys. you’re getting downvoted because you’re spreading decade-old FUD from the days before the tech community had wrapped their head around…

There absolutely are issues, whether you accept it or not, and it is nothing to do with 'not trusting TPM'. Apple SSDs engineered in the worst way possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qbrLiGY4Cg Exploding USB-C MacBook Ports Explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAGnMR1aVuE

none of those have anything particular to do with the T2 chip and if the TPM in your windows laptop got clobbered you'd still lose all your data anyway. The physical shape of the SSD is irrelevant in that scenario since you lost the key to decrypt it regardless.

again, yes, I know rossman doesn't like apple laptops but this has nothing to do with the T2 chip being some hidden landmine or defect. People just aren't used to the idea of the TPM being a thing that controls their data integrity.

Re: Apple to upgrade base Macs to 16GB RAM, starting from Apple M4 models

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Post by sliken »

danielktdoranie wrote: post #48

As an Apple fan, what Apple charges for RAM is insulting. Pre 2012 it was standard practice to buy your MacBook Pro with the minimum RAM, and you could upgrade the RAM yourself buying from Crucial and the like for WAY CHEAPER than what Apple sold the RAM for. To stop that Apple started soldering the RAM to the logic board. I’d have no problem buying RAM from Apple if they charged a fair market price. Sadly Apple seem…

It's easy to assume it's malicious. But instead this allows laptops to be thinner, cheaper, and have MUCH better performance.

Nearly all PC and laptops have 128 bit memory busses, which is a major bottleneck for iGPUs, as well as weird use cases like LLM.

However the M2 pro doubles the memory memory width. M3 Max doubles it again, twice as wide as an AMD threadripper.

Re: Apple to upgrade base Macs to 16GB RAM, starting from Apple M4 models

#105

Post by replete »

paulmd wrote: post #103
replete wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There absolutely are issues, whether you accept it or not, and it is nothing to do with 'not trusting TPM'. Apple SSDs engineered in the worst way possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qbrLiGY4Cg Exploding USB-C MacBook Ports Explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAGnMR1aVuE

none of those have anything particular to do with the T2 chip and if the TPM in your windows laptop got clobbered you'd still lose all your data anyway. The physical shape of the SSD is irrelevant in that scenario since you lost the key to decrypt it regardless. again, yes, I know rossman doesn't like apple laptops but this has nothing to do with the T2 chip being some hidden landmine or defect. People just aren't us…

One if the issues is the t2 failing and dumping 13v into the SSD , destroying it. Nothing to do with fear of TPM.
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