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Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by bux93 »

znpy wrote: post #87
tpm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How would the government even know that a big company is transgressing the rules? By investigating a complaint? From the article: The Dutch DPA started the investigation on Uber after more than 170 French drivers complained...

Your comment and the article however don’t explain what the group complained about and how did they know data was being transmitted to the us, though. Did they made the allegations up and they happened to be right? I don’t think that’s the case.

The DPA has powers of subpoena. They can basically raid the place. Usually, companies don't want this to happen and they co-operate. How exactly did the DPA know that Uber processes all data in their central IT department in the US? Uber probably told them and didn't try to pretend they have any local hardware or entity in charge of it. That would be a stupid thing to lie about?

In any event the fine is mostly for not having adequate protections in place. Those protections? Better contracts between wholly-owned subsidiaries of Uber. So, not much protection at all! This is very much Uber shooting themselves in the foot by not doing their homework. Again.

This is the DPA's press release: https://www.autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/en/current/dutch-d...

The fine is here, and is 48 pages long, and in Dutch: https://www.autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/documenten/boete-u...

The investigation report isn't included. It may surface if Uber decided to right the fine and take it to court. Or, if some-one takes an interest and tries to get it via the local 'freedom of information act' equivalent, though that might take just as long and will result in a heavily redacted version being made available.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

Well, I'm not sure that I'd equate "freedom" with companies exploiting people's personal identifying information and selling it for their own profit. Personally, I don't want my information that's protected by GDPR in my own country to be smuggled into another country where there's almost no legal protection for someone's data/privacy.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by jeltz »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

And this freedom was ended by companies like Google and Facebook who abused this freedom forcing governments to act. Internet was at its worst right before GDPR. I don't think we will ever get back to the old free Internet and instead we will have this power balance between big corps and governments.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by zoobab »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

The US still does not have legislation to protect Personal Data like the GDPR.

That did not prevent the corrupt European Commission to issue a third variant of the Shield to still allow american corporation to send data of EU citizens to the US, despite the Schrems2 ruling.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

It was fun for companies to freely steal people's data and sell it to the highest bidder. I'm glad this is slowly coming to an end.

I'm not sure I like Meta's and the influence of other foreign companies on European culture too. We were more free before them.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by teekert »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

Uber’s right to do what ever the f they want stops at my right to control information pertaining to me.

What’s freedom? GPL? BSD? Swinging a fist? Not getting hit on the nose?

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by sjamaan »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

These laws have been created for good reasons, and US tech companies have had free reign to trample on people's privacy rights for a very long time.

If a company acts in a honorable way, there's nothing to fear and they can easily do business world wide. It's when companies do things that are shady and should've been outlawed from the start that they run into trouble. The main issue here is that the US has the least restrictive laws and allows its citizens' privacy to be grossly invaded, which means these companies now feel like they're being unnecessarily restricted.

If the US had stricter laws, this would be a non-issue and you wouldn't hear anyone about it. It's all very myopic and US-centered to focus on the company's freedom to do as it pleases. What about the users' freedom to live without being spied upon? Free market rules don't apply - the network effects are too big to really say "you can take your business elsewhere if you don't like it". Also it's a transparency issue - it's too hard to tell from the outside how your data will be handled to make an informed decision about what companies to deal with. Especially because all of them treat your data like they own it, as a cash cow.

Re: Dutch DPA fines Uber €290M because of transfers of drivers’ data to the US

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Post by Ragnarork »

wyager wrote: post #99

We are fortunate to have lived through a brief period where the internet was truly a global network. A person in the Netherlands or Nigeria [1] could access the best technology services the world had to offer. People could more or less interact freely across borders. Obviously this is coming to an end. Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously bec…

> Every fiefdom wants their cut and their say, to the point where the internet being a global network is obviously becoming inviable

Why exactly would physical products have to comply with local laws when exported to other countries and not online services? Do you also call it "fiefdom wanting their cut and their say"? Do you disagree with the concept of laws altogether?

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