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Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by aflukasz » Mon, Aug 19, 2024, 5:50 PM UTC

terryf wrote: post #4

Good article content, but wow the article looks great! Really incredible! If by any chance someone knows the tools that were used to make the big-font subtitles (or the whole page?), enlightenment would be highly appreciated!

Looks is in the eye of the beholder, but notice, that in HTML, this is just one big paragraph - if any tool did the whole page, it wasn't particularly interested in semantic HTML.

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by creesch » Mon, Aug 19, 2024, 6:27 PM UTC

kantapproves wrote: post #97

creesch wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you missed the point of the article. As this > The output of df and mount shows the truth as it is: raw and shitty. Is pretty much the point they are making about Trainwreck Design. They are using their output of df as a talking point to illustrate the issue.

Maybe. But they explicitly mention: “this results in programs like df. or mount.” If you want to call out design shit then just call it what it is: systemd. Leave df out of it, the poor fellow. Mount also has nothing to do with it.

Well, someone needs to stand up for those poor applications, might as well be you ;)

I still think it means you are missing the overall point of the author thoughts by focussing so heavily on them using df as an example.

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by ofrzeta » Mon, Aug 19, 2024, 8:56 PM UTC

While I agree in principle here are some commands that help:

- df -h /

- ip -brief a s

- mount -t ext4 (or whatever you usually are using)

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by gsich » Mon, Aug 19, 2024, 9:12 PM UTC

SSLy wrote: post #87

gsich wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would gladly switch to a systemd command. What should I use?

networkctl status/list

Doesn't have all the info sadly.

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by atoav » Tue, Aug 20, 2024, 5:59 AM UTC

efilife wrote: post #79

atoav wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if you read my post again, you will find that I mentioned this already.

Right, sorry. My only defense is that I just woke up half-dead

It happens to the best of us : )

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by Mali- » Tue, Aug 20, 2024, 9:18 PM UTC

kantapproves wrote: post #96

Mali- wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should the default of the tool be totally unintelligble useless (for 90% of single usages) rubbish? You can have your raw truth - strange way of putting it, its a tool, this is not a detective drama - it would be a more useful tool for the average use-case if this was a flag though (or some other option). We can't handle the truth!

It is not unintelligible, it is exceedingly simple. If you are not knowledgeable about your system at this level, then sure, it is quite chaotic. But that’s a different problem and why are you at this level anyway? Also, a substantial amount of this problem is just systemd. Don’t shit on df, which looks fine on, say, BSD. This is not for the “average user” IMO.

You like a design which spits out a wall of text, 90% of which is useless. And wrap it up with the idea that you're a high IQ superuser for reading through that crap. I'm just someone who wants to use a tool, so I'm not amazed and impressed with myself for being very clever when the tool drools all over my monitor.

Re: Trainwreck Design

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Post by Atlas26 » Thu, Aug 22, 2024, 3:07 AM UTC

st_goliath wrote: post #57

The year is 2024 and I want to know how much free disk space I have. I open the Thunar file browser on my Xfce desktop and it tells me "Free space: XXX GiB" right at the bottom. The year is 2024 and I need to give a presentation. I walk up, plug the HDMI cable into my laptop. On my Xfce desktop, a window pops open with 4 buttons: Laptop only, external display only, mirror, expand. I choose "mirror", the desktop is re…

> Of course then there is also that one guy who fidgets around on stage for 10 solid minutes, before we are treated to a tiling window manager with eleventynine terminal windows and a hundred nervously fat-fingered xrandr command lines. Everyone in the audience chuckles and shakes their head "Linux people, typical...", and the guy on stage, already sweating blood begins the presentation.

Lol exactly. These people cause everyone else to think that's what Linux is like in 2024...just because you can doesn't mean you should, especially with the OP. Why use some arcane commands instead of the easily, single glance solution? We're not talking about advanced power user cases, just a simple day to day check...