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Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Post by tguvot »

neeleshs wrote: post #95
tguvot wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As a startup CTO, I agree you need networking And cybersecurity. I am not sure if you need fulltime people specializing in this though. highly depends on function of the service and it's scale >I used to work for large companies with big on-prem footprint. Networking and security in that world is a different game and warrants dedicated people. >But for a startup with two services running in the cloud, with so many o…

That's fair. It's a red flag in general if VP/CTO doesn't have the basics of security in place anyway. My experience in my peer group is that they are all fairly knowledgeable about security, if not experts. Most startups don't have the scale, there are exceptions of course.

i worked in variety of companies that varied from development of security products and were very security oriented to companies where security were driven by client needs (telecom industry for example), to "other places" where management grew with the company and it's case of "you can't teach old dog new tricks". there are always security departments, but unfortunately most of the time their thinking is "slap crowdstrike everywhere, it will solve all problems" and "here is sdlc that engineering must to follow" (lol)

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Post by adregan »

I’m part of a community that helps connect applicants interested in working in the climate change field with companies in that same space.

Companies browse the list of resumes and invite candidates directly to apply.

After being asked directly by a couple of companies to apply for a position, I was auto rejected nearly immediately leading to awkward follow-ups. In each case there was profuse apologies and eventual interviews (and job offers), but I wonder how many good candidates are getting squashed by a black box AI.

I hadn’t considered the prompt injection trick, but it might be the best defense for a candidate with 10+ years in the field but without a CS degree (but still a MA in an unrelated field).

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Post by neeleshs »

tguvot wrote: post #101
neeleshs wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fair. It's a red flag in general if VP/CTO doesn't have the basics of security in place anyway. My experience in my peer group is that they are all fairly knowledgeable about security, if not experts. Most startups don't have the scale, there are exceptions of course.

i worked in variety of companies that varied from development of security products and were very security oriented to companies where security were driven by client needs (telecom industry for example), to "other places" where management grew with the company and it's case of "you can't teach old dog new tricks". there are always security departments, but unfortunately most of the time their thinking is "slap crowdst…

Indeed, I've seen that latter behavior in large companies back in the days. A security department that refuses approvals to upgrade operating systems because it's too risky, a full-blown ops team that doesn't know how to do it without killing all services for days on, doesn't have recommendations on security patches, doesn't know if a CVE is actually exploitable in that setup or not - the list goes on.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Post by tguvot »

neeleshs wrote: post #103
tguvot wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i worked in variety of companies that varied from development of security products and were very security oriented to companies where security were driven by client needs (telecom industry for example), to "other places" where management grew with the company and it's case of "you can't teach old dog new tricks". there are always security departments, but unfortunately most of the time their thinking is "slap crowdst…

Indeed, I've seen that latter behavior in large companies back in the days. A security department that refuses approvals to upgrade operating systems because it's too risky, a full-blown ops team that doesn't know how to do it without killing all services for days on, doesn't have recommendations on security patches, doesn't know if a CVE is actually exploitable in that setup or not - the list goes on.

i work now on fedramp certification (essentially leading scoping and solutioning) and interaction with security department is both funny,sad and scary af. i discovered that they developed risk assessment policy for system components (in commercial environment) whose purpose to drop down risk level of components in order to remove need for security patching for SOC. and crowdstrike in monitoring mode (nobody knew that it's in monitoring mode) because they afraid of enforcing mode. and that temporary access from/to production network is actually permanent because there is no flow in ticketing system to remove it .

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Post by LeonenTheDK »

betaby wrote: post #99
alephnerd wrote: post #37

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> I was unable to find any listings for any network or cybersecurity jobs along the sysadmin/engineer lines OP has actually fallen behind skills wise. This is why companies have been moving Cloud First - your DevOps/SRE or even your Dev team can also be your Networking and Security team. The writing was on the wall for Network Engineers and old school Sysadmins almost a decade ago, and why so many transitioned into b…

> Not having a LinkedIn is also career suicide at this point. Not a single job I worked I got from LinkedIn. LinkedIn seems to be spam-only site to me. Thus not sure about that.

I wonder how much it matters been just having a LinkedIn account vs actually and actively using it. IE not having a presence on the platform ends up as a negative for whatever reason.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Post by dxuh »

Ilasky wrote: post #45

> AI is probably losing you a lot of good candidates. It can be easily gamed, and then you'll end up with someone who watched a TikTok video on "how to fool any ChatGPT in ten seconds". I also fail to understand how I can have multiple years of experience in a job as well as active certifications, and somehow still get filtered. My resume isn't that bad...what on earth is your AI doing? Do you know? While the ol’ pro…

I tried it in the not so distant past and it just seemed to just be a great way to spend way more time on each application and then get rejected automatically by some bot as well.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Post by BossingAround »

heisenbit wrote: post #96
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The longer my career goes on, the less a lot of these cloud services make sense to me. I know why we have AWS deploy our production instances, but why are all of our staging and dev instances running on EC2? Can't we just buy an old PC and put it in the office and run dev builds on that? Sure it might be slow, but it's not meant to handle 100k QPS, it's just for QA

Sorry, this won't cut it anymore. You would loose all the fun instabilities when the cluster is upgraded again, the round trip times could not be optimized by distributing things further, the magic of all the different translation layers between you and the hardware would vanish. Worst of all is not all the money and headache you would save but you also would save time. Why would you do that?

Right, much better to deal with all of those issues in production only.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Post by Our_Benefactors »

Ilasky wrote: post #45

> AI is probably losing you a lot of good candidates. It can be easily gamed, and then you'll end up with someone who watched a TikTok video on "how to fool any ChatGPT in ten seconds". I also fail to understand how I can have multiple years of experience in a job as well as active certifications, and somehow still get filtered. My resume isn't that bad...what on earth is your AI doing? Do you know? While the ol’ pro…

Tailoring for every job is a waste of time and overkill. I do find that keeping 2-3 similar resumes highlighting different parts of my skill set can be useful to pick the one best suited for the posting, but as others have noted it’s not worth spending a lot of time on each application when the response rate in the overall market is so poor.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Post by Our_Benefactors »

bityard wrote: post #98
omg_ketchup wrote: post #59

I just started to fill out a job application from the HN "Who's Hiring" thread, and it required a Loom video of me describing why I'd be a good fit for that specific position. The fuck? Abandoned the application process at this step. I'll do an interview, but creating a video just to get rejected for each job? That's a bit much.

To play devil's advocate: There are many more applicants for tech jobs than there are tech jobs available. When you are drowning in applications for a particular role, anything you can do to slim down the pool to only those who are actually interested is going to be a win. And I know this is going to sound glib, but it sounds like it worked...

And to play devils-devils-advocate (angels advocate?), these kind of “now dance for me monkey” tests filter more for desperation than enthusiasm.

Re: A network engineer in search of greener pastures

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Post by hadlock »

pflenker wrote: post #7

Not to step on the authors toes, but it’s not the job searching that is broken - it’s the market that has shifted to favor companies and to put applicants at a disadvantage, something that hasn’t happened in the IT field for a long time. People reject candidates without a college degree because they can afford to - they still have plenty of applicants to pick from after filtering out the rest. There is no need for th…

Since 2009 only once has someone asked me about a college degree. Once you hit 30 (27?) I don't think it really ever comes up in conversation in a professional context. Your resume shows where you worked and how fast you progressed, which is a much more accurate description of your ability to work in that capacity.
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