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Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by ctoth »

nine_k wrote: post #13

So, to clarify things: it's QEMU running in a container, and macOS running under QEMU inside it. This is really nice WRT the ease of installation: no manual setup steps and all. This likely expressly violates the [macOS EULA], which says: «you are granted a limited, non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at any one time» — because the point…

Can I get a whole bunch of Apple stickers and brand the heck out of an old Dell r630 Server and run this on it? Or how about a cattle brand with an Apple logo?

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by bspinner »

JayDustheadz wrote: post #22

Can this be launched on an M1 Mac? I'm trying to find a way to run a Big Sur VM on my M1 Mac on Monterey/Ventura.

Checkout tart: https://tart.run/quick-start/

It uses Apples Virtualization framework and works well, besides issues with virtiofs. But those can be worked around with virtual block devices aka images.

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by arcanemachiner »

flawn wrote: post #74
arcanemachiner wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did this. I had to share my USB port over Docker somehow (black magic I guess, instructions in the repo) and I was able to build iOS apps and run them on an iPhone.

What was the speed like?

For a basic Flutter app: tolerable

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by pjmlp »

wildzzz wrote: post #94
jbverschoor wrote: post #15

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(iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software, or any prior macOS or OS X operating system software or subsequent release of the Apple Software, within virtual operating system environments on each Apple-branded computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (…

So basically you can run macOS however you want as long as you're already running macOS on Apple hardware. The question I've always had is how enforceable is that really? Obviously the whole point of Apple making macOS freely available is to run it on Apple hardware. They don't give it out for free to run on other hardware but can they really do anything about that other than require you to enter a serial number to d…

Via surprise audits from organisations like BSA, in collaboration with the police.

https://www.bsa.org/

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by shepherdjerred »

xandrius wrote: post #63

I'd love to try and see if it's possible to simply build for iOS. Say Unity, React Native, etc. This could be pretty awesome in terms of freedom, even if the build takes 5x more.

Cross-compiling is likely a better approach: https://github.com/tpoechtrager/osxcross

This is how Godot targets iOS: https://github.com/godotengine/build-containers/blob/main/Do...

Here's a Docker image with the tools preinstalled, though you'll need some tweaks to target iOS: https://github.com/shepherdjerred/macos-cross-compiler

While at RStudio (now called Posit), I worked on cross-compiling C/C++/Fortran/Rust on a Linux host targeting x86_64/aarch64 macOS. If you download an R package with native code from Posit Package Manager (https://p3m.dev/client/), it was cross-compiled using this approach :)

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by [deleted] »

skeledrew wrote: post #95
resource_waste wrote: post #82

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To be fair, I'm not sure any linux veterans are using Ubuntu. Its a popular OS, but its not a good OS. (Think terrible pop music that teenagers will still listen to) Even Debian has lost its favorability by having sooo much legacy bloat, bugs, and outdated kernels that wont run Nvidia GPUs(2023) or other recent peripherals. I'd be much more curious how Fedora or OpenSUSE hold up.

How do you define "veteran"? I've been a Linux-only user for 10 years, and 9.5 of it is strictly with Kubuntu.

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Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by naikrovek »

obituary_latte wrote: post #96
wildzzz wrote: post #94

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So basically you can run macOS however you want as long as you're already running macOS on Apple hardware. The question I've always had is how enforceable is that really? Obviously the whole point of Apple making macOS freely available is to run it on Apple hardware. They don't give it out for free to run on other hardware but can they really do anything about that other than require you to enter a serial number to d…

Probably as enforceable as any other EULA. Windows surely has similar language. I'd guess that somewhere buried deep in the agreements, or somewhere, it says they can audit your usage somehow. Does it ever happen? I'd be curious to know.

Windows doesn’t have similar language. Not directly, anyway. Depending on the edition of Windows you purchase and how your overall license agreement works, you get anywhere from zero to ten VM licenses per paid Windows license.

I’m omitting a few details for brevity (MS licensing is nuts when you get into the weeds).

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by hamandcheese »

bspinner wrote: post #102
JayDustheadz wrote: post #22

Can this be launched on an M1 Mac? I'm trying to find a way to run a Big Sur VM on my M1 Mac on Monterey/Ventura.

Checkout tart: https://tart.run/quick-start/ It uses Apples Virtualization framework and works well, besides issues with virtiofs. But those can be worked around with virtual block devices aka images.

+1 for Tart (and seconded on avoiding virtiofs - which as a virtualization.framework problem, not and indictment on Tart's quality).

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by scintill76 »

diggan wrote: post #89
meatjuice wrote: post #53

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This is clearly illegal

"Illegal" might be a bit strong, "Against the EULA" a bit more realistic, which may or may not be illegal, depending on the context and involved country.

I’m not a lawyer, but pretty sure unauthorized redistribution of copyrighted material is a crime (in the US.) This docker image contains Apple copyrighted files, probably, but anyone feel free to explain if I’m wrong.
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