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Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Not a drinker. As a person who makes their living using their brain, it's never made sense to me to not protect an important asset. Over the years, most of my peers have stopped being able to do any sort of intensive brain work because of (a) drinking, (b) sugar, or (c) smoking or some other drug. Over the years, the decline in ability due to these things is obvious. I regularly outperform people 20 years younger tha…

Does consuming sugar really stop the ability to do intensive brain work?

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

#102

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> at any level This is nonsense advice. Would you take the advice of someone who recommended never driving because any level of driving risks death? That's obviously stupid. Or it should be anyway though I suspect some pendants will try to argue it. If you're one of those people what about never going outside? The sun's deadly rays might give you cancer and there's no safe level of sunlight !! Risks are about trade-o…

Driving cars and riding in cars tend to have large benefits whereas alcohol does not.

Alcohol can have large benefits for helping people to bond and socialize. The article itself pointed this out. Of course people can socialize without alcohol. But I think it's plausible to argue that alcohol in moderation can improve and deepen the experience.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at any level This is nonsense advice. Would you take the advice of someone who recommended never driving because any level of driving risks death? That's obviously stupid. Or it should be anyway though I suspect some pendants will try to argue it. If you're one of those people what about never going outside? The sun's deadly rays might give you cancer and there's no safe level of sunlight !! Risks are about trade-o…

Tell it how it is. No cigarettes either. But it's OK to go camping and live in a cloud of smoke for days. I wonder how many cigarettes a day equals being in a big campground with fires everywhere for 2 days is?

"Daddy, what is 'whataboutism'?"

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at any level This is nonsense advice. Would you take the advice of someone who recommended never driving because any level of driving risks death? That's obviously stupid. Or it should be anyway though I suspect some pendants will try to argue it. If you're one of those people what about never going outside? The sun's deadly rays might give you cancer and there's no safe level of sunlight !! Risks are about trade-o…

Driving cars and riding in cars tend to have large benefits whereas alcohol does not.

Maybe it's not your cup of tea/wine, but I think most of the population would strongly disagree with you there!

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

#106
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I used to drink alcohol to self-medicate my social anxiety. I realized eventually, however, that, because it also lowered my inhibitions, I would do and say things I wouldn't have were I not inebriated. This is what effectively convinced me to give up the drink, as it were.

> I would do and say things I wouldn't have were I not inebriated

Although I mean, isn't that the point? If your social anxiety was inhibiting you from eg going to a social event, asking someone out, or speaking in front of a lot of people, wouldn't alcohol reducing your inhibitions be a good thing?

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at any level This is nonsense advice. Would you take the advice of someone who recommended never driving because any level of driving risks death? That's obviously stupid. Or it should be anyway though I suspect some pendants will try to argue it. If you're one of those people what about never going outside? The sun's deadly rays might give you cancer and there's no safe level of sunlight !! Risks are about trade-o…

Tell it how it is. No cigarettes either. But it's OK to go camping and live in a cloud of smoke for days. I wonder how many cigarettes a day equals being in a big campground with fires everywhere for 2 days is?

Presumably the risk with cigarettes is addiction, whereas that is less of an issue with alcohol because alcohol is significantly less addictive than nicotine.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at any level This is nonsense advice. Would you take the advice of someone who recommended never driving because any level of driving risks death? That's obviously stupid. Or it should be anyway though I suspect some pendants will try to argue it. If you're one of those people what about never going outside? The sun's deadly rays might give you cancer and there's no safe level of sunlight !! Risks are about trade-o…

> Risks are about trade-offs. If the American Cancer Society wants to be helpful and actually listened to they need to provide practical actionable advice, not this cop-out. I feel like the medical community is slowly starting to finally realize that they can't force patients to minmax their lives. Why would I live a long life that isn't enjoyable?

I'm sorry if you feel the ACS is trying to force you to do something just by making a recommendation. Feeling a bit fragile, are you?

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at any level This is nonsense advice. Would you take the advice of someone who recommended never driving because any level of driving risks death? That's obviously stupid. Or it should be anyway though I suspect some pendants will try to argue it. If you're one of those people what about never going outside? The sun's deadly rays might give you cancer and there's no safe level of sunlight !! Risks are about trade-o…

Driving cars and riding in cars tend to have large benefits whereas alcohol does not.

Source?

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

#110

Here’s one of the fundamental problems with studying human diet and psychology, from the article: > The best way to assess the effects of alcohol would be to randomly assign people to drink it or not in childhood and then monitor their health and drinking over the rest of their lives. Since such studies cannot be done, researchers instead have to ask people about their drinking habits and follow them over much shorte…

> Studying humans properly is nigh-on impossible.

This is why I find the proclamation that "correlation != causation" so annoying. Of course it doesn't, but we cannot make a causative study of humans!

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