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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by viraptor »

ashu1461 wrote: post #17
SeanAnderson wrote: post #3

Announcing a waitlist! :) Signed up either way, but really wish OpenAI announcements were for usable products.

Open ai always surprises. They are yet to completely release some of the features announced an year ago, but still announced a production ready model last week. Maybe this is the difference between anthropic and open ai.. Anthropic has sharp focus on improving their core product and open ai is spread out.

It's a natural consequence of size. Openai with 1200+ employees will have more projects running in parallel (and at different speeds) than Anthropic with ~500.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#102

Post by arp242 »

Topfi wrote: post #40
MattDaEskimo wrote: post #11

I really dislike this as OpenAI has spent the past months signing sweetheart deals with any publisher willing to sell their content for training data. It ties everything to their platform and returns a regurgitation of prioritized content without indicating any sort of sponsorship. SEO will be replaced by cold hard cash, favors, and backroom deals

> SEO will be replaced by cold hard cash, favors, and backroom deals Maybe this reflects my biases, but isn't that was SEO has been from the get go? Like, from the moment someone had the idea that they could influence search engine results in their favor and charge money for those services, SEO has been purely negative for internet users simply trying to find the most fitting results for their query.

Well, there's SEO and then there's SEO. Some of it is just common-sense stuff to aid search engines a bit, and that benefits everyone. And then there's SEO which is all the bullshittery you're referring to.

For well over a decade the best SEO trick is to write helpful useful content.

Your small independent blog can become a top Google hit without too much effort. This is kind of neat.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#103

Post by smrtinsert »

blakesterz wrote: post #6

People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites. Google and everyone sent us traffic. There was something of a trade off. Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way. As far as I can see there's no sending people away from SearchGPT, it just gives answers. I can't see any reason to allo…

Slowly? Google gave up quality searches years ago

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#104

Post by [deleted] »

pandeiro wrote: post #34
jjulius wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>SEO will be replaced by cold hard cash, favors, and backroom deals Maybe it's my pessimistic nature, but it's garbage either way to me - backroom deals in your scenario, or the SEO-gameified garbage we currently have.

Can't believe unfettered greed and self-interest would ruin something like this.

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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

#105

Post by Dalewyn »

blakesterz wrote: post #6

People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites. Google and everyone sent us traffic. There was something of a trade off. Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way. As far as I can see there's no sending people away from SearchGPT, it just gives answers. I can't see any reason to allo…

>Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way.

To an extent, I actually like the trend as Joe Average User.

Most websites are just plain filthy and even dangerous today. I know I am not opening any link to a website I don't already know and trust unless it's in a Private window (fuck their cookies) with JavaShit more than likely blocked. If it's really shady I'll fire up an entire disposable VM for it first.

Google, Bing, et al. just putting the content right then and there saves me time and hassle from dealing with the ancillary garbage myself.

It's honestly a tragedy of the commons. Big Tech wants more traffic and to keep it, websites want more traffic and just throw whatever literal shit they can muster (aka SEO).

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by zamadatix »

gwervc wrote: post #84

This is in a way very good, as it will be another differentiator between smart people and others: average Joe will indulge himself in hallucinations while a few will retain the knowledge of querying a search engine, citing a source and critically think of what they read.

You can do things "the right way" (find sources, critically think about the info) in either (or other things like books), the common denominator is the person using the tool not going off the first thing they read from the tool as gospel.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by wilg »

blakesterz wrote: post #6

People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites. Google and everyone sent us traffic. There was something of a trade off. Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way. As far as I can see there's no sending people away from SearchGPT, it just gives answers. I can't see any reason to allo…

Fundamentally the problem here is that in many (maybe about half of) search cases people are not ultimately interested in visiting a website, they are interested in a piece of information on the website. The website is essentially a paywall for that information. The website is a middleman, and middlemen can be easily disrupted by a better one.

So what we really need here is a new approach to funding the availability of information. Unfortunately, ads are fairly lucrative because advertisers are willing to pay a lot more than users are. You could I guess do something where SearchGPT pays a couple of cents out of a monthly fee to each information source it used. Much harder with LLMs, since the source of information is potentially very diffuse and difficult to track. And even if you tracked it each publisher would get such a tiny fraction of what they are making now.

But the difficult part for web publishers is that AI powered information retrieval is a significantly better user experience, which means it's very likely to win no matter what.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by benreesman »

viraptor wrote: post #89
benreesman wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If no one else does it soon I'll probably do it myself: we're long overdue for the ad-block of LLM output. I want a browser plugin that nukes it at the DOM, and I don't care how many false positives it has.

You can't detect LLM output with any reasonable rate. You'd have both false positives and false negatives all over the place. If you solve that part on its own, that will be a SOTA method.

This is a dangerous falsehood. OpenAI's since-cancelled polygraph had a 9% rate of false positives, and a 26% rate of true positive. If I can lose a quarter of toxic bytes and need to enable JavaScript on one site in ten? Count me in!

I want more false positives.

https://openai.com/index/new-ai-classifier-for-indicating-ai...

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by wilg »

jsheard wrote: post #93
wilg wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were making a search engine or AI crawler, I would simply pose as Googlebot

Google actually provides means of validating whether a request really came from them, so masquerading as Googlebot would probably backfire on you. I would expect the big CDNs to flag your IP address as malicious if you fail that check. https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/...

You could maybe still only follow robots.txt rules for Googlebot.
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