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July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #85
abracadaniel wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could recall the defective batch. All of the cpus with that defect will fail from it. The seem to have been content to hope no one noticed.

What makes you think there was a "defective batch"? What makes you think all the CPUs affected by that production issue will fail from it? That description sounds to me like it affected the entire production line for months. It's only worth a recall if a sufficient percent of those CPUs will fail. (I don't want to argue about what particular percent that should be.)

My CPU was unstable for months, I spent tens of hours and hundreds on equipment to troubleshoot (I _never_ thought my CPU would be the cause). Had I of known this, I would have scrutinised the cpu a lot faster than what I did.

Intel not making a public statement about potentially defective products could have been done with good PR spin ‘we detected an issue, believe the defect rate will be I’m never buying an intel product again. Fuck intel.

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by Dylan16807 »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #101
Dylan16807 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think there was a "defective batch"? What makes you think all the CPUs affected by that production issue will fail from it? That description sounds to me like it affected the entire production line for months. It's only worth a recall if a sufficient percent of those CPUs will fail. (I don't want to argue about what particular percent that should be.)

My CPU was unstable for months, I spent tens of hours and hundreds on equipment to troubleshoot (I _never_ thought my CPU would be the cause). Had I of known this, I would have scrutinised the cpu a lot faster than what I did. Intel not making a public statement about potentially defective products could have been done with good PR spin ‘we detected an issue, believe the defect rate will be I’m never buying an intel…

This comment chain is talking about the oxidation in particular, and specifically the situation where the oxidation is not the cause of the instability in the title. That's the only way they "identified & addressed the issue but didn’t issue a recall".

Do you have a reason to think the oxidation is the cause of your problems?

Did you not read my first post trying to clarify the two separate issues?

Am I misunderstanding something?

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

#103

Post by slaymaker1907 »

userbinator wrote: post #83

Reminds me of Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome, 2002. Looks like history may be repeating itself, or at least rhyming somewhat. Back then, CPUs ran on fixed voltages and frequencies and only overclockers discovered the limits. Even then, it was rare to find reports of CPUs killed via overvolting, unless it was to an extreme extent --- thermal throttling, instability, and shutdown (THERMTRIP) seemed to occur before act…

Interesting, I hadn’t heard about the Pentium overlocking issues. My theory on the current issue that running chips for long periods of time at 100C is not good for chip longevity, but voltages could also be an issue. I came up with this theory last summer when I built my rig with a 13900k, though I was doing it with the intention of trying to set things up so the CPU could last 10 years.

Anecdotally, my CPU has been a champ and I haven’t noticed any stability issues despite doing both a lot of gaming and a lot of compiling on it. I lost a bit of performance but not much setting a power limit of 150W.

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

#104

Post by slaymaker1907 »

wmf wrote: post #81
guywithahat wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s probably where people are mostly likely to understand it. A lot of companies do this, especially while they’re still learning things.

These days people are more likely to see the announcement on YouTube, TikTok, or Twitter.

The first two require a lot more effort in video editing than creating a forum post. Plus, it’s just going to be digested and regurgitated for the masses by people much better at communicating technical information.

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by thangngoc89 »

whalesalad wrote: post #99
thangngoc89 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you’re lucky. I own 2 machines for small scale CNN training, one 13900k and one 14900k. I have to throttle the CPU performances to 90% for stable running. This cost me about 1 hour / 100 hours of training.

Are you using any motherboard overclocking stuff? A lot of mobo’s are pushing these chips pretty hard right out of the box. I have mine at a factory setting that Intel would suggest, not the asus multi core enhancement crap. noctua dh15 cooler. It’s really been a stable setup.

I didn’t setup anything in BIOS. But my motherboard are from asus. I will look into this. Thanks for your suggestion.

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

#107

Post by worthless-trash »

phire wrote: post #100

I find it hard to believe that it actually is a microcode issue. Mostly because Intel has way too much motivation to pass it off as a microcode issue, as they can fix a microcode issue for free, by pushing out a patch. If it's an actual hardware issue, then Intel will be forced to actually recall all the faulty CPUs, which could cost them billions. The other reason, is that it took them way too long to give details.…

I believe that the waters may be muddied enough that they wont have to do a full recall and only if you 'provide evidence' the system is still crashing.

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by sudosysgen »

salamo wrote: post #108

Is there any info on how to diagnose this problem? Having just put together a computer with the 14900KF, I really don't want to swap it out if not necessary.

Running a full memtest overnight and a day of Prime95 with validation is the traditional way of sussing out instability.

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #102
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My CPU was unstable for months, I spent tens of hours and hundreds on equipment to troubleshoot (I _never_ thought my CPU would be the cause). Had I of known this, I would have scrutinised the cpu a lot faster than what I did. Intel not making a public statement about potentially defective products could have been done with good PR spin ‘we detected an issue, believe the defect rate will be I’m never buying an intel…

This comment chain is talking about the oxidation in particular, and specifically the situation where the oxidation is not the cause of the instability in the title. That's the only way they "identified & addressed the issue but didn’t issue a recall". Do you have a reason to think the oxidation is the cause of your problems? Did you not read my first post trying to clarify the two separate issues? Am I misunderstand…

Oxidisation in the context of CPU fabrication sounds pretty bad, I find it hard to believe it would have no impact on CPU stability regardless of what Intels PR team to say while minimizing any actual impacts caused.

Edit: it sounds like intel have been aware of stability issues for some time and have said nothing, I’m not sure we have any reason to trust anything they say moving forward, relating to oxidisation or any other claims they make.

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