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Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by csomar »

Xen9 wrote: post #95
ryandrake wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Some workers lose their jobs to automation. > 2. The remaining ones have a weaker negotiation power, as their jobs are on the way out anyway. So companies have even more incentive to abuse them. I wonder what the eventual end game is, when you let everything play out to its logical conclusion. Eventually, business owners will no longer need people at all. They'll own a magical fully-automated factory that mainta…

The end game is that average human becomes a pet. Horses weren't needed and they became pets; same for average human. This can only happen perfectly if the manufacturers eventually start to come after those who are self-reliant, which I believe is in line with the psychology of humans. Funny thing is this is ALSO analogous to what we have done certain animals.

Onlypets.com. I see the future now.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by csomar »

bibliotekka wrote: post #18
ryandrake wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Some workers lose their jobs to automation. > 2. The remaining ones have a weaker negotiation power, as their jobs are on the way out anyway. So companies have even more incentive to abuse them. I wonder what the eventual end game is, when you let everything play out to its logical conclusion. Eventually, business owners will no longer need people at all. They'll own a magical fully-automated factory that mainta…

The richest and most powerful will lobby for universal basic income because it will benefit them at some tipping point, where the masses will need to be subsidized to keep the consumption machine running, maybe?

UBI will benefit them in the sense that work will no longer be a right; since now you get that government pay check. No one wants to keep the consumption machine running for your benefit. The rich can always get a bigger yacht and more holiday residences.

UBI is a power play and the worst outcome for a sovereign citizen.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by cageface »

ryandrake wrote: post #13
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #7

> Samsung’s 12-inch line utilizes an overhead hoist transport (OHT) system, an automated transport network that operates along tracks installed on the ceiling, to move bundles of 25 wafers called “lots.” On the 8-inch line, however, this transportation is done manually. There is much more market demand for 12-inch wafers, so Samsung has modernized and automated many processes. The 8-inch line, however, is outdated. W…

> 1. Some workers lose their jobs to automation. > 2. The remaining ones have a weaker negotiation power, as their jobs are on the way out anyway. So companies have even more incentive to abuse them. I wonder what the eventual end game is, when you let everything play out to its logical conclusion. Eventually, business owners will no longer need people at all. They'll own a magical fully-automated factory that mainta…

It seems increasingly likely to me that we're going to see the standard sci-fi script flipped. Instead of AI and robots doing grunt work for humans, AI will be doing most of the decision making, perhaps guided by a small human elite, and humans will do most of the grunt work.

Making machines that think will turn out to be a lot cheaper and easier than building machines that can do general purpose physical work. People are cheap to make and maintain, especially if you're not very concerned with their well-being.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

#104

Post by palad1n »

moandcompany wrote: post #35
marcodiego wrote: post #16

I worked for a giant Korean company (offshore, third party outsource). Their view of workers right is very different from "the west". It was said, among my colleagues at the time, that in our country their main headquarters had a law office exclusively to handle abuse cases quickly. I heard stories of Korean lifting their voices and a case where the chair of a programmer was kicked by a Korean manager because he let…

Some aspects of hierarchy-based power dynamics (i.e. bullying and abuse) have been captured into a relatively new, and unique Korean word, "Gapjil" (갑질). Gapjil (Korean: 갑질) is an expression referring to an arrogant and authoritarian attitude or actions of people in South Korea who have positions of power over others. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gapjil ) Gapjil is typically used to describe the abusive dynamics o…

Really? In 2019? This is the first I've heard of it, and I've been working here since 2017. I have no notion that this problem has been actually addressed anywhere.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by SoftTalker »

colordrops wrote: post #8

My brother had back surgery in Scottsdale, and his roommate was getting surgery to repair his pinky, which was destroyed in a welding incident in the Samsung plant being built in the area. Made me wonder about the safety of the workers there.

Burns, cuts, mashed fingers, all part of the picture when you work in trades, especially construction.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

ryandrake wrote: post #13
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #7

> Samsung’s 12-inch line utilizes an overhead hoist transport (OHT) system, an automated transport network that operates along tracks installed on the ceiling, to move bundles of 25 wafers called “lots.” On the 8-inch line, however, this transportation is done manually. There is much more market demand for 12-inch wafers, so Samsung has modernized and automated many processes. The 8-inch line, however, is outdated. W…

> 1. Some workers lose their jobs to automation. > 2. The remaining ones have a weaker negotiation power, as their jobs are on the way out anyway. So companies have even more incentive to abuse them. I wonder what the eventual end game is, when you let everything play out to its logical conclusion. Eventually, business owners will no longer need people at all. They'll own a magical fully-automated factory that mainta…

Hopefully a land tax

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by eru »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #7

> Samsung’s 12-inch line utilizes an overhead hoist transport (OHT) system, an automated transport network that operates along tracks installed on the ceiling, to move bundles of 25 wafers called “lots.” On the 8-inch line, however, this transportation is done manually. There is much more market demand for 12-inch wafers, so Samsung has modernized and automated many processes. The 8-inch line, however, is outdated. W…

The negotiation power of workers largely relies on what their outside options are. If the rest of the economy is booming, they'll have more power, because they can walk away.

If the rest of the economy is doing badly, they can't threaten to walk about (or at least they can't threaten that as easily and credibly).

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by eru »

cageface wrote: post #103
ryandrake wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Some workers lose their jobs to automation. > 2. The remaining ones have a weaker negotiation power, as their jobs are on the way out anyway. So companies have even more incentive to abuse them. I wonder what the eventual end game is, when you let everything play out to its logical conclusion. Eventually, business owners will no longer need people at all. They'll own a magical fully-automated factory that mainta…

It seems increasingly likely to me that we're going to see the standard sci-fi script flipped. Instead of AI and robots doing grunt work for humans, AI will be doing most of the decision making, perhaps guided by a small human elite, and humans will do most of the grunt work. Making machines that think will turn out to be a lot cheaper and easier than building machines that can do general purpose physical work. Peopl…

People are pretty expensive.

So far we have automated more and more, including and especially grunt work.

Why would grunt work come back?

Especially if you have machines that can help you design more efficient machines, and can help you re-design production processes to be more efficient and amenable to further automation.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Post by eru »

vivekd wrote: post #71
hammock wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That graph is US only

Good point - the graph being US only means it misses offshoring manufacturing jobs to places like China. We can't assume that the loss of manufacturing jobs was solely caused by automation

Why call it 'loss', if it was outsourced? UnAmericans are also human.
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