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Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by harshithmul »

haswell wrote: post #92

Having worked quite deeply with Jira and a host of other enterprise products that target this set of use cases, and having a pretty good understanding of what decision makers are looking for when evaluating these products for fit (I have been that person), what does "AI First" mean? I realize AI is the hype right now and it seems like most products have to pay the AI Tax (i.e. "Yes we're doing AI stuff so you should…

Really appreciate the thoughts. The places where we believe AI matters a lot is

1. Ensuring ticket has enough information 2. Offloading some amount task before someone picks it.

These are the 2 key areas we are focusing and we will launch some features around these in the coming weeks. Would love to hear if there are some other places you feel we can focus on?

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by Aeolun »

peter_l_downs wrote: post #60
peterldowns wrote: post #59

First, congratulations on launching. I think people are so used to seeing beautiful products these days that it can be hard to remember how hard it is to make anything . Nice work! With that out of the way, here is some critical feedback: - What is the pitch that you made to YC that convinced them to back you? The market size just doesn't seem that large and I don't understand what will differentiate you from Linear…

By the way, you've left the notiz.dev LICENSE file in your server code, probably you want to remove that. https://github.com/tegonhq/tegon/blob/158b54af8d6f7cf4195c61... Separately, there seems to be a ton of unused or broken or dead code sprinkled throughout — for instance, in the auth code, I can't tell if you're doing basic email/password auth or using Supertokens and a third-party login via Google. You have code…

Note that “open-source” does not imply anything about quality, or your entitlement to that. As was already noted they’re selling access to a cloud product that you are entirely welcome to use if you do not want to think about how the code works.

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by Aeolun »

harshithmul wrote: post #10
wanderingmind wrote: post #9

If you are planning to monitise it through SaaS, might be worthwhile to change the license to AGPL from MIT.

Thank you for your suggestion. You’re absolutely right; we are actively exploring licensing options, including AGPL, to ensure that our product remains protected. We value input from the community and are open to suggestions and assistance in making this decision. Our goal is to prevent unauthorized copying and resale of our product under different names while fostering a collaborative and innovative environment.

Note that anything other than MIT will immediately remove one of your major advantages over the competition. No enterprise wants viral licenses in their environment, it’s simply not worth the anxiety when there’s so many options.

If you want to compete on being open source your license has to be free.

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

#104

Post by Aeolun »

threecheese wrote: post #46
faust201 wrote: post #19

Would it be possible to run AI/ML on an existing jira/github large project (k9mail/KDE(gitlab) and show/prove this can be useful/better etc? Thanks

If you are suggesting OP do this to demonstrate that their assertion is correct - that AI generated issue titles are objectively better - this is a Good Idea. I have to guess /hope that they did this already; who would make a time investment like this without first proving that the product has value? Anyway I certainly wouldn’t even pilot it without some proof.

That’s a fun idea. I’ll have to see if I can run it on our Jira and Confluence instances to get better (or even minimal) ticket descriptions from the requirements.

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

#105

Post by Aeolun »

harshithmul wrote: post #21
faust201 wrote: post #19

Would it be possible to run AI/ML on an existing jira/github large project (k9mail/KDE(gitlab) and show/prove this can be useful/better etc? Thanks

We haven't yet modularized the AI features of our product. Currently, it's not possible to use the AI features on top of JIRA/GitLab. Our AI capabilities have achieved better accuracy and output because we have more control over the infrastructure and the product's foundations. Additionally, incorporating agents and managing their workflows require a distinct set of metadata and separate workflows, which we are still…

Can you give me an idea of what you are using AI for currently?

Edit: Never mind, found the list you posted elsewhere.

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

#106

Post by harshithmul »

Aeolun wrote: post #105
harshithmul wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We haven't yet modularized the AI features of our product. Currently, it's not possible to use the AI features on top of JIRA/GitLab. Our AI capabilities have achieved better accuracy and output because we have more control over the infrastructure and the product's foundations. Additionally, incorporating agents and managing their workflows require a distinct set of metadata and separate workflows, which we are still…

Can you give me an idea of what you are using AI for currently? Edit: Never mind, found the list you posted elsewhere.

Current AI functionalities: 1. AI-generated Titles 2. Smart Delegation 3. Duplicate Detection 4. AI Summarization 5. AI filtering 6. Automated Triaging

We are almost done working in 2 other areas 1. AI assistant while create a new issue ensuring the issue has enough information 2. Chat assistant to interact with the tool

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

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Post by Aeolun »

harshithmul wrote: post #106
Aeolun wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give me an idea of what you are using AI for currently? Edit: Never mind, found the list you posted elsewhere.

Current AI functionalities: 1. AI-generated Titles 2. Smart Delegation 3. Duplicate Detection 4. AI Summarization 5. AI filtering 6. Automated Triaging We are almost done working in 2 other areas 1. AI assistant while create a new issue ensuring the issue has enough information 2. Chat assistant to interact with the tool

Haha, same one. Thanks!

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

#108

Post by mdeeks »

shafyy wrote: post #86

I don't know how to write this comment so it doesn't come off as unconstructive. But here you go. - "AI-first"? What does that even mean? Calling some API to auto-generate a title? Do you really think that a) this solves a big user problem and b) that Linear can't add that in two seconds if they wanted to? - Open-source and VC-backed? Please stop bull shitting me, and yourself. - What is your USP? That you're faster…

> that Linear can't add that in two seconds if they wanted to?

FYI Linear has had this feature for a while. It works quite well.

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

#109

Post by lmm »

evantbyrne wrote: post #72
KolmogorovComp wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s not an open-source license because it’s not OSI compliant https://opensource.org/licenses . Open-source has a specific meaning that too many people don’t know or forgot.

This feels like splitting hairs and unnecessary gatekeeping, and I'm not sure for what purpose or for who's intended benefit. The movement needs to evolve to better protect the rights of the people actually doing the work, because they are the ones who are benefiting the least by the narrow definition being pushed by the OSI. Maybe we need a new term if this is how "open-source" is seen in the broader community.

> This feels like splitting hairs and unnecessary gatekeeping, and I'm not sure for what purpose or for who's intended benefit.

The line must be drawn. Open-source absolutely needs to have a firm definition, otherwise it will be whittled away to nothing. Microsoft already tried that with "shared source".

If you think the difference between BSL and AGPL is just splitting hairs, then why not just use the AGPL?

Re: Show HN: Tegon: Open-source alternative to Jira, Linear

#110

Post by hardwaresofton »

haswell wrote: post #92

Having worked quite deeply with Jira and a host of other enterprise products that target this set of use cases, and having a pretty good understanding of what decision makers are looking for when evaluating these products for fit (I have been that person), what does "AI First" mean? I realize AI is the hype right now and it seems like most products have to pay the AI Tax (i.e. "Yes we're doing AI stuff so you should…

> If I'm a frustrated customer of those products, AI is not the reason I'll be looking to switch, and I'd be far more likely to be interested in performance, extensibility, openness, integration capabilities, etc.

Sounds like this is what they should be asking you more about.

Would you mind rattling off some a wish list?

Perf I can imagine but some of the others not so much in detail.

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