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Re: The Cheapest NAS

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Synology does all that. I run two one at home one at the office, my only complaint is that it’s a bit “idiot proof”… both other times the web based GUIi is great. Also has free software that punches through NAT and dynamic IPs works great (quickconnect.to) I use sftp, media server, primarily

I second that wholeheartedly, and I also run two 19" Synology NAS units, one at home and one at the office. All smooth sailing so far. A colleague uses a QNAP instead, which he claims is better price/storage ratio at the expense of lesser software usability, and I'm okay paying a bit more of my own money (at home) as well as taxpayers' money (at work) on better usability, because it will likely pay off by saving time…

https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/zhwif2/my_new_nas...

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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When people set up these NAS's, how are they accessing the files? NFS? SFTP? And how are you accessing it when away from home? A VPN that you're permanently connected to? Is there a good way to do NAT hole-punching? Syncthing kind of does what I want, in that it lets all my computers sync the same files no matter what network they're on, but it insists on always copying all the files ("syncing") whereas I just want t…

I use Syncthing to synchronize my smaller datasets between my laptop, my phone, and my NAS. This covers all of my productive and creative scenarios. On the LAN, I just use SMB. It is adequate for my needs. For remotely accessing my collection of Linux ISOs, I use Plex.

Same here. I have wireguard vpn for the few times i need it to tunnel my traffic through home or need to access larger files not sync’ed with syncthing.

My nas is a Synology. Vpn is also used so that i can continue sending timemachine backups back home when i’m traveling.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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My secret protip: old Fujitsu desktop/nuc PCs. At least in Germany (Europe?) they are cheap on ebay since a lot of businesses use them and upgrade on a regular schedule. If you care about power consumption like I do, you can Google "$model energy consumption white paper" which contains very accurate data about idle usage, for example https://sp.ts.fujitsu.com/dmsp/Publications/public/wp-energy... In one case I had a…

I have a nuc but how do I connect 6 hdds to it?

Thunderbolt/USB4 -> NVME enclosure -> M.2-to-SATA OR M.2-to PCIe to HBA-to-SATA.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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> 100Mb may seem like a joke nowadays, but the main purpose of such a toy NAS for me is to keep a copy of a directory with ~200K small files. Having 1Gb would only marginally improve the syncing speed even if the SBC supported USB 3.0.

He's wrong here. The most important thing with small files is latency, and a 1000M network will have significantly less latency than a 100M network.

Anyone running TimeMachine over network knows what I mean - local attached storage is blazing fast (particularly SSDs), wired network storage is noticeably worse performing, and wifi is dog f...ing slow.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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Ignorant person question here: “why they make NAS servers without ECC memory?”

non-ECC is cheaper. i can't think of any other possible reason. anything else would be a lie to cover up being cheap

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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My secret protip: old Fujitsu desktop/nuc PCs. At least in Germany (Europe?) they are cheap on ebay since a lot of businesses use them and upgrade on a regular schedule. If you care about power consumption like I do, you can Google "$model energy consumption white paper" which contains very accurate data about idle usage, for example https://sp.ts.fujitsu.com/dmsp/Publications/public/wp-energy... In one case I had a…

I was under the impression, that for most (popular) chip families, like RockChip, Allwinner, Amlogic, some assorted Broadcoms, .. the Mainline linux kernel support has mostly been sorted for, and it's only the stragglers like Hisilicon, Huawei, Most Broadcom, Qualmcomm where mainline support is not on their priority list?

Maybe, but regular distros on x86/x64 thin clients are even more sorted out. GPIOs are better handled through an Arduino clone over USB than with scripts running on inherently laggy desktop OS.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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The entire concept of network attached storage is kind of cargo-cult in the vast majority of personal use cases. Just put the drives in your computer. Fewer abstraction layers, fewer problems, cheaper, faster, less fragile, easier to debug and fix if problems do happen. It's just not as hip or cool sounding as "NAS".

A NAS is nice for serving local media files to a smart TV. That’s my main use case.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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Answering your questions in order: - On mine I use NFS and SMB which covers most possible clients. - I use an ssh bastion that I expose via Tailscale to connect to mine remotely. So a VPN but it's wireguard based so it's not too intrusive. I have a gig up, though, YMMV. - My NAS has 28TB of space. I'm still working on backup strategy. So far it just has my Dropbox and some ephemera I don't care about losing on it. -…

Wow! What kind of data are you generating that 2TB ‘just isn’t very much’? (Video editing?) All my personal files take up around 10GB in my Google Drive.

One example: If you take picture with a decent camera in raw format, your storage gets filled ridiculously fast. A short travel with a mere 200 pictures can easily be like 25M*200=5G. Another example: if you're doing any kind of AI training (especially picture based), the training materials can easily amount to many terrabytes.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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Answering your questions in order: - On mine I use NFS and SMB which covers most possible clients. - I use an ssh bastion that I expose via Tailscale to connect to mine remotely. So a VPN but it's wireguard based so it's not too intrusive. I have a gig up, though, YMMV. - My NAS has 28TB of space. I'm still working on backup strategy. So far it just has my Dropbox and some ephemera I don't care about losing on it. -…

Wow! What kind of data are you generating that 2TB ‘just isn’t very much’? (Video editing?) All my personal files take up around 10GB in my Google Drive.

Google takeout of my personal pictures from Google photos takes 600gb+ alone. And I'm not avid picture taker (that's the archive since 2000s, I did upload a lot of my old dslr photos to google photos when it was unlimited). I guess if people make more personal videos, they will use more space easily

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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My secret protip: old Fujitsu desktop/nuc PCs. At least in Germany (Europe?) they are cheap on ebay since a lot of businesses use them and upgrade on a regular schedule. If you care about power consumption like I do, you can Google "$model energy consumption white paper" which contains very accurate data about idle usage, for example https://sp.ts.fujitsu.com/dmsp/Publications/public/wp-energy... In one case I had a…

I was under the impression, that for most (popular) chip families, like RockChip, Allwinner, Amlogic, some assorted Broadcoms, .. the Mainline linux kernel support has mostly been sorted for, and it's only the stragglers like Hisilicon, Huawei, Most Broadcom, Qualmcomm where mainline support is not on their priority list?

Depends what you mean by “kernel support”. In general it does not really include decent idle power optimizations even on say raspberry pi.
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