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so then let's outlaw live ammunition, and replace all firearms with laser tag.
Why not outlaw all violence? Replace it with hugs.
Go try some violence and get back to us.
Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide
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Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide
#102I was an infantryman in the Army for ten years, from 1998 to 2008, and deployed three times, twice to Iraq, Encounters with IEDs were common, especially during the surge. So many of my friends have died to suicide or have killed themselves due to drugs and/or alcohol that it is hard to keep track. Now that primadonna seals are dying maybe someone will pay attention. Thankfully the only lasting effects of my deploymen…
What made you think Seals are primadonnas? Does this apply to other special forces too?
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Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Can you sustain brain damage by being exposed to a smaller amount of concussive force?” “Great question, did you know if you zig and zag you become impervious to bullet :)”
I interpreted it as “there’s such a big difference between artillery and a handgun you clearly have never been around an actual gun being fired before” Still snarky, but there is a point.
How does saying “you should expose yourself to both things if you possibly can” express that there is a difference between the two?
I suppose I can imagine that GP said that you can feel the difference between levels of brain damage incurred (they did not), but even if that were the case then why would you encourage someone to expose themselves to artillery if you thought the damage was more than zero?
“The damage from both is different but also zero if you zig zag check mate 8-)”
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hear you. But women can continue the line —society. Men can’t bear children —society dies. Men get sent to war, women stay in the homeland, many of the men may not return and the women may have to persevere, with sacrifice but society can push on. If it were reversed, that society may well collapse. The Spartans didn’t send their women off and let the men stay back in the homeland.
How many people do you think are in the military? It’s way below one percent in the USA. In the last war we fought, we lost barely any soldiers compared to the number deployed. It’s bad that we lost any, but your argument is logically null. Women aren’t just baby machines, in any case. Nothing is being “reversed” it’s just more equal if everyone is registered for selective service.
In WW1, so many French young men died in the battles that the average height of the French soldier declined by over an inch in WW2. It became popular for French and German women to marry old men and foreigners after both wars.
By preserving the women, society can bounce back from a catastrophic loss of young men.
Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide
#106Of course it doesn't reach them. Same with any black project, the dangers get swept under the rug.
The article doesn’t say why. It alludes to bureaucracy. Either way, I don’t think unsubstantiated cynicism is productive.
I find it difficult to believe that a coterie of seal spouses coordinated a brain study of their dead husbands and after finding a smoking gun, none of them thought to fire off a message to anybody in the Navy.
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#107Artillery crew members who fired thousands of rounds in combat came home plagued by hallucinations and psychosis Could this problem also be affecting civilian gun enthusiasts? Or is the order of magnitude of the exposure just wildly lower compared to the military, even in the most enthusiastic?
If you ever get the chance, go shoot some small caliber weapons. I think everyone should at some point to have a baseline in their head for what guns are. Plus, I think it’d be good for people to know you can become really hard to hit by all but the best shooters by… walking away slowly in a zigzag. Near impossible if you run. And then if you have a chance to be around some small artillery, do that too. It’s hard to…
Tangentially related: Caltech has a cannon on campus (most notable for being stolen by MIT in 2006)[0] that fires twice per quarter, once towards the beginning and once towards the end. It is loud—you can hear it on the other end of campus[1]. Although to be fair, I don't know what they put in it and/or how the blank's loudness would compare to a modern artillery piece firing an actual projectile....
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltech%E2%80%93MIT_rivalry#20... [1] (which is, admittedly, pretty small)
Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Can you sustain brain damage by being exposed to a smaller amount of concussive force?” “Great question, did you know if you zig and zag you become impervious to bullet :)”
Bit of a difference between "hard to hit" and "impervious"
You take 0 damage from 100% of the bullets you zig
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Do you think it's because of whatever brain damage they may have encountered, or because they could not find meaning in their civilian lives? I have no idea. Strangely the most common thread seems to be the ones who off themselves went back home after getting out. Almost everyone I know who got out and stayed away from home is doing ok. Almost everyone I know who got out and went back home is a wreck. Some had TBI e…
This makes a lot of sense. People are fundamentally changed by their experiences in combat zones. I'd imagine that going somewhere new afterwards allows you to be whoever you now are on your own terms, whereas going home means continually experiencing the pain of no longer fitting in to the life and loving relationship that you'd had before, with no relief in sight.
It's not exactly uncommon for people to join the military to get away from an unsatisfying or low-opportunity home life.
Ending up back at the place you wanted to get away from could be pretty depressing.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your comment doesn't reflect what you're quoting, you call it "personal problems" which implies extrapersonal problems occurring in their life, when the quote describes actual physical damage done to their brains.
Health problems are real problems. They're personal problems and can impact how your mind works. The quote says they frequently get psychiatric diagnoses but new research indicates it's brain damage, not something talk therapy will help. I'm saying the same thing: Suicidal people have real problems that need real solutions, not talk therapy or emotional encouragement.
Maybe I’m missing something here… is there a “real” solution that they should be getting instead? My impression is that there aren’t any remedies for brain injuries yet, that we’ve only just been able to detect them, but I’d love to hear that I’m wrong about this.