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Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by iAMkenough »

spideymans wrote: post #69
Arn_Thor wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Productivity is not a goal in itself. It is a means to a healthy and happy populace. Europe doesn’t have record breaking GDP but features many of the happiest people in the world. Different values result in different measures of success, I guess

Productivity is ultimately the measure of the efficiency of human labor. The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy. In the short term, lagging productivity can be masked by debt spending and other measures, but in the long run, the only thing that increases human wealth and material abundance is labor productivity. Everything else is…

> The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy.

In a profit-driven business, the more productive the workers are, the more work you can throw at them. Free time doesn't enter into the equation unless business owners need to manage a compliance issue regarding labor regulations.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

crazygringo wrote: post #76
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #12

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How do people survive with Linux and Windows.

Do you call being hacked with ransomware "surviving"? Or being part of a nefarious botnet "surviving"? Or accidentally installing keyloggers "surviving"?

I am happy to make the decisions myself than have some random tech company decide on my behalf.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by isodev »

vletal wrote: post #53

I do not get it. If they are really into "private cloud", "your data belongs to you", ... They should be compliant out of the box. This decreases my trust in Apple.

I know right? The DMA resonates closely with what Apple supposedly highlights as their values. It seems they’re not so good after all. For one, I’m happy about Apple Intelligence, like Microsoft Recall it felt kind of creepy.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by vletal »

al_borland wrote: post #96
vletal wrote: post #53

I do not get it. If they are really into "private cloud", "your data belongs to you", ... They should be compliant out of the box. This decreases my trust in Apple.

Looking at the DMA, it’s not about security. It’s about opening things up so big tech can’t benefit from their position. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act I think a company not being allowed to add features for their customers is a bit silly.

What would be the implication? I do not believe that DMA forces Apple to make iPhone sharing to Windows. How would it reduce "security"?

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by ErneX »

lambdas wrote: post #35
e38383 wrote: post #26

I can totally understand why Apple is doing this. And I hate it. Mostly because the regulations are not technical enough to get followed within soft- and hardware. The EU is just preventing any (most, maybe just a few, but „any“ from my perspective) new (consumer) technology now.

I’d rather have to wait a while for shiny new feature, than dive head first into the unknown. We made that mistake with social media, not taking it seriously enough. I can wait a hot minute for my iPhone to summarise paragraphs whilst we try and avoid rampant, democracy breaking technology 2.0.

Yeah it’s great our EU bureaucrats are protecting us from evil innovations /s

And also this: https://sdw.space/europe-wants-to-end-encryption/

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by spideymans »

dbspin wrote: post #77
spideymans wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Productivity is ultimately the measure of the efficiency of human labor. The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy. In the short term, lagging productivity can be masked by debt spending and other measures, but in the long run, the only thing that increases human wealth and material abundance is labor productivity. Everything else is…

You're conflating productivity and wealth, and wealth and happiness. These are, you'll forgive me for saying - very American fallacies. The productivity of a country says little to nothing about it's levels of relative and absolute poverty, social inequality, and capacity for social reproduction. Compare say Berlin - an historically 'depressed' city with a smaller economy than most German cities, with any first tier…

It’s real easy to say this right now, because the EU has only lagged its peers in productivity for only the last decade —- thus the compounding effects of lagging productivity are not yet evident. However several more decades of lagging productivity will eventually result in European living standards being several decades behind their peers.

If the EU thinks that low labor productivity is the path to happiness, going down that path is their prerogative, but long term that path will only lead to ruin. Lagging productivity has never in human history lead to civilizational success. Europe will be outcompeted and eventually dominated by its more productive peers.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by theshrike79 »

isodev wrote: post #85
darth_avocado wrote: post #28

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Like? The regulatory concerns will exist for ANY AI offering.

And yet it doesn’t seem to be a problem for Samsung and others (who already released similar features in their previous generation devices).

They’re not big enough for EU to care.

And if they pull out, it’ll hurt even more because they make everything under the sun.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by evbogue »

bbor wrote: post #93
evbogue wrote: post #46

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I kind of figure if I'm sharing a constant stream of screenshots of my screen with one company why not share them with every company? Might as well send it to the hackers too, I guess. This way I can have more AIs analyzing my screen.

I don’t know if you’re joking but this is actually an amazing example of a very real organizational challenge: people get tired of dealing with edge cases, so they give up all together. I absolutely 100% trust Apple to do what it thinks is best for profits, and I don’t see any way that eroding/risking their privacy stance would pay off. Not to say “I don’t have anything to hide”, but I definitely don’t have any profi…

Joking! I'm not planning on sharing my screenshots stream with Alphabet/Apple/Meta/Microsoft Intelligence.

Besides how profitable will it be for AI to know that Ev's reloading HN again? And again and again and again.

Maybe we can get AI to serve me on onscreen ad!

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by darth_avocado »

isodev wrote: post #85
darth_avocado wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like? The regulatory concerns will exist for ANY AI offering.

And yet it doesn’t seem to be a problem for Samsung and others (who already released similar features in their previous generation devices).

Samsung has AI features?
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