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Fast Crimes at Lambda School

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Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

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I have this sense that the world of tech needs the pendulum to swing back a bit towards geeky hacker types who are in it for the love of building cool things, tinkering, exploring and all that. There is a bit too much of the "bro" side of things - hustlebros and techbros and VC bros and that culture. Where are my people at these days?

Give it another two years of high interest rates washing people out into non-tech sales, finance, trades, whatever... but there are plenty out there, the bros are just far louder.

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#102
post #97

I don't understand the controversy. Sure, you might not like ISAs, but that's not the point. You signed an agreement. The agreement itself is not illegal. If you don't like it, why did you sign it? Like, what's the expectation here? That you should be able to get a coding education for free? Even if you got a job unrelated to programming, how does that excuse you from needing to pay for tuition for courses you alread…

Weren’t they vastly misselling their success rate? They said sign this agreement, we offer 9X% rate of success! Then it turned out to not be the case. TFA: > Most students weren't hired. What little money the school made came from quietly reselling student debt to hedge funds. Legally sound, probably? Morally unsound, definitely.

Isn't every VC-funded startup overly optimistic? I've seen pitch decks before where founders promise 10x growth over the next 2 years to an impossible projected revenue. It is obviously not going to happen, and indeed did not. Should those founders be criminally charged as well?

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weren’t they vastly misselling their success rate? They said sign this agreement, we offer 9X% rate of success! Then it turned out to not be the case. TFA: > Most students weren't hired. What little money the school made came from quietly reselling student debt to hedge funds. Legally sound, probably? Morally unsound, definitely.

Isn't every VC-funded startup overly optimistic? I've seen pitch decks before where founders promise 10x growth over the next 2 years to an impossible projected revenue. It is obviously not going to happen, and indeed did not. Should those founders be criminally charged as well?

IMO there’s a meaningful difference between pitching to VC investors and selling a product to individual customers.

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#104
post #97

I don't understand the controversy. Sure, you might not like ISAs, but that's not the point. You signed an agreement. The agreement itself is not illegal. If you don't like it, why did you sign it? Like, what's the expectation here? That you should be able to get a coding education for free? Even if you got a job unrelated to programming, how does that excuse you from needing to pay for tuition for courses you alread…

Weren’t they vastly misselling their success rate? They said sign this agreement, we offer 9X% rate of success! Then it turned out to not be the case. TFA: > Most students weren't hired. What little money the school made came from quietly reselling student debt to hedge funds. Legally sound, probably? Morally unsound, definitely.

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau said that specific practice was not legally sound.

See the subsections titled "Misrepresented their financial interests by selling loans to investors" and "Engaged in illegal contract practices" at https://www.consumerfinance.gov/about-us/newsroom/cfpb-takes...

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

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post #87

AppAcademy started with and still does ISAs and has been fairly successful. There have been situations where they've deemed certain participants greater risk and NOT offered them ISAs and asked for upfront payment, but I believe their success has largely been a result of aggressive candidate filtering all the way up to 1/3 of the way through the program after its started. I have first hand experience with their progr…

I hired out of app academy. It was fine -- they were super junior, but that was expected. All of them were successful in other industries and used app academy to retrain into software. I suspect one of the problems with these programs is they're supply constrained; if you want to scale them, you're betting there's a lot of people with the requisite IQ, self control, motivation, ability to set and carry out long term…

The University of Phoenix started out the same: using high standards. It'd be great if you could carve those standards into stone to prevent some future person flooding the market with less qualified candidates.

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

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I was one of the coding instructors at Make School which was similar to Lambda School and was bankrupt couple years ago. Our major issue? It was damn hard to find enough students for our school who were talented enough to understand computer science and had enough grit to finish the program and get a job. Why? Because those students were already absorbed by the established traditional universities.

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

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Acting like Elon Musk is cringe for a lot of reasons but I don’t think it’s that out of pocket for a startup founder to admire him, even if all he did was SpaceX he would have an incredible legacy and story

Oh of course. I think folks are misunderstanding that I somehow dislike Musk. I do not. SpaceX and Tesla are bigger companies than Apple and Microsoft.

What I dislike is, other grown men trying to "act" like him and fawning over him.

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just talking about this idea with my wife. We're both now senior enough in our jobs that we're team/project leads (not managers, just technical leaders of stuff). One of the projects I'm leading is a small R&D effort to see if a new technique will improve one of our core algorithms. And I have a very bright new junior programmer who has been with the company about 2 years and has a little post-college experienc…

He's not going to recognize the pattern on his own, no matter how obvious it is to you. You will do him a disservice if you don't pull him aside one day and say, hey I noticed you have a blind spot, and I need to point it out to you because it's going to be a limiter for your career unless you learn to deal with it.

Yeah, you're right. This is the non-technical part of being a leader that I really struggle with. I'm much more comfortable "leading by example" and modelling behaviors and much less comfortable with how to frame a discussion like this.

Much of my company and field is full of nerds that are a bit outcast (including me). I hate the overuse of the term "bullying", but I'd say that most of the people I work with daily weren't the most loved kids in school.

So I don't want to add "boss thinks I'm doing a bad job" anxiety on someone by telling them that they're not matching my expectations. And If I put myself back to being 3 years or so out of college, I was probably behaving the same way, and maybe time to figure it out is what he needs.

My grad advisor was a real not nice guy, and even after all these years I still don't really like him. But he was what _I_ needed and my reaction to his pressure was to become a much better problem solver. I know I shouldn't act like him, but I haven't had many great role models in how to talk to someone about their performance.

I want to him to get the message that "he's smart and I know he'll figure it out" and not the message that "he's a bad employee and that he needs to start worrying about being let go in this bad job market"

Re: Fast Crimes at Lambda School

#110
Not sure about other states, but California has super low cost junior colleges with CS classes. It seems like the Austen’s of the world would advise people to start there and see how they do rather than jump into a $50k commitment.

The other baffling thing about Lambda was that companies had to pay Lambda to recruit their students.

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