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"The right" is just as supportive of chat control as the left.
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#102Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#103Are there ways to circumvent this? Selfhosting? Encryption before sending?
Self-hosted E2E encryption via Matrix might be one way: https://matrix.org/docs/matrix-concepts/end-to-end-encryptio...
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> Utterly revolting how the EU has become an authoritarian and socialist project expanding its power over EU citizens and countries.
Sounds word by word like a Nigel Farage speech campaigning for the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the European Union.
It seems that his populist speech lingers a bit after achieving his goal, Brexit.
Nevertheless, years after such an event, there can be no doubt that he did not have the citizens' interests at heart. Of course, neither he nor the other parrots who spread that kind of discourse have faced the consequences of their vile actions.
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#105I find it very funny that this law's entire purpose could very well be defeated by another recent-ish EU law, namely the Digital Markets act.
This law is somewhat workable if you assume that App Stores are the only way for mobile apps to be distributed. If users are allowed to sideload, as an app maker from a non-european country, you can just refuse to comply.
This isn't possible with Apple's current implementation of this law, but that implementation is extremely likely to be ruled noncompliant anyway based on what the EU authorities are saying.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but in the EU of tomorrow, your digital EU idea will be the choking point. Do something out of line, and it can be revoked and with it, your bank, credit cards, health care, travel and other services. I won't say that future will never happen only because "never" is a long time, but that's not happening in the foreseeable future. I'm in Germany right now, and theoretically my ID card can be used online. In practice…
Germany is a lot less digital than the rest of Europe though. Germans by-and-large even refuse to use debit cards (pin&chip). It's so strange visiting Germany as a tourist and not being able to pay with my card in a restaurant for example.
> Germans by-and-large even refuse to use debit cards (pin&chip)
I’d call that a minority, especially since Covid.
> not being able to pay with my card in a restaurant for example
An even smaller minority, especially for restaurants, slightly larger for non-chain fast food places that probably also cheat on taxes.
I don’t carry cash with me and pay almost everything with my MC debit or AMEX credit card, even in cases I can’t do that, I’d be able to pay with girocard (non-MC/Visa debit card, a widespread local system) if I had one.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#107The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.
Excuse my ignorance, updated the title. Seeing the discussion here, it did attract the wrong audience...
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#108The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.
And at every stage people will talk about how horrible EU is as if this has already passed, just like last time.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Brexit proves you wrong. And so does practically any poll in any EU country, as well as many non-EU countries where people are desperate to get in (be it in the Western Balkans or the Caucasus).
Those who get money want in, obviously. I was referring to those paying for the party (ie Germany)
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/10/24/people-br...
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/majority-of-g...
https://www.dw.com/en/eu-nato-growing-in-popularity-in-germa...
No, Germans quite like the EU. Same as in France, it's that popular and Brexit was so much of a disaster, that the far-right parties stopped talking about leaving the EU and moved to just vague stuff about reforming it.
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#110Has anyone in power thought through the scale of this? Even if it has a frankly exceptional error rate of just 0.001%, that still means tens of thousands of innocent Europeans will have their lives ruined every day. And, assuming there's a human in the loop, who are we going to traumatize to check The Machine's work? Is it going to be Kenyans again^, or Eastern Europeans this time? ^ https://theguardian.com/technolog…
>Has anyone in power thought through the scale of this?
Why would they? People in power and judges are always exempt from warrantless mass surveillance. They get actual privacy.