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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by gillesjacobs »

beeboobaa3 wrote: post #83
gillesjacobs wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is exactly the EU governance that lacks democratic representation, enabling unfavoured politicians to remain in significant power. You can only elect MEPs (via party lists) locally. The majority of legalislation is drafted by the technocratic European Commission and legislation is mostly passed through parlaiment unchanged from there. There are many nationally disgraced politicians seating in the EP, EC or…

Yes, this is called a representative democracy. The fix is to vote for representatives who represent your values. Or run yourself.

There are many different types and implementations of representative democracy. And the supranational technocracy-driven particracy of the EU is only representative in name. It is on the oligarchic end of the democracy-oligarchy spectrum.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by WhackyIdeas »

PGP encryption should be taught in school. Ingrained.

Data privacy used to be trampled on with the fear of ‘terrorism’, but the Americans blasted the airwaves with the word so much that it diluted the word to the point it instills zero fear.

Now the new words of the times to trample on privacy is CSAM.

And like utter fools, the public fall for the same crap time and time and time again.

The truth is, the world will always be shit and have shit people in it. Those shit people will do shit things.

It’s a fight over your soul now. And the AI is going to love love love everything it has on every single person on the planet. I can’t wait for the AI to come for us all - we are collectively just awful (and I believe we the west are probably more awful to humanity than even the Chinese, Israel or the Russians, and that is saying something).

I am mad.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

harha wrote: post #89
HPsquared wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goes to show how disengaged the voters are.

Quite difficult to be engaged with the selection of candidates. It’s really quite the struggle to find someone halfway decent these days

> struggle to find someone halfway decent these days

Would you want to deal with those voters as, effectively, your boss?

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by darby_nine »

miroljub wrote: post #59
darby_nine wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Next year could be to help the climate or protect lbtgqi++ rights. Unlikely—this would actually benefit people.

Chat control would benefit people, if they say it's for climate or lbqtg++ protection? But it won't benefit if they say it's to fight the terror or protect the children? If you really think that spying is OK, if they have "good enough" excuse, no wonder we get all this shit enacted.

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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by romankolpak »

I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused.

If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof is safely encrypted? Aren’t we hurting ourselves by being so obsessed with privacy? Again, I apologize for ignorance and am curious

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by ironSkillet »

WhackyIdeas wrote: post #102

PGP encryption should be taught in school. Ingrained. Data privacy used to be trampled on with the fear of ‘terrorism’, but the Americans blasted the airwaves with the word so much that it diluted the word to the point it instills zero fear. Now the new words of the times to trample on privacy is CSAM. And like utter fools, the public fall for the same crap time and time and time again. The truth is, the world will a…

Please give examples of how the authoritarian, repressive, conformity-demanding CCP is less awful and soul destroying than Western democracy, as flawed as it is.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by KptMarchewa »

romankolpak wrote: post #105

I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused. If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof i…

We just won't catch some criminals, and that's probably an acceptable tradeoff.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by Sander_Marechal »

romankolpak wrote: post #105

I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused. If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof i…

Same way as they have always done. Identify suspects, get warrants, confiscate computers and other electronic devices, build a case, etc.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by cbeach »

romankolpak wrote: post #105

I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused. If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof i…

There are criminals operating behind the safety of closed doors with locks on.

We need to compromise all door locks, in order to keep everyone safe from criminals.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Post by Rucadi »

romankolpak wrote: post #105

I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused. If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof i…

If a message platform is gov controlled, criminals will use other alternatives that are not monitored, which they probably already do.

What you end up is just having the gov having all information about private citizens, which can be used against us.

For example, the government of Spain constantly shares private citizen data of people near political adversaries for political reasons, also, I don't want people knowing what I share with my girlfriend, regardless of it they do something or not with it publicly.

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