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Tale as old as time: lack of safety culture due to reality denying executives causes people to die.
I don't think the executive going down in their own creation and using a video game controller before imploding is a tale as old time.
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"the passengers were made aware of the risks" From people asking them to sign this who otherwise hand-waived the risks away?
I hadn't heard that before. Did Oceangate lie about or understate the risks?
One interesting thing about this saga is we learned just how much of a badass James Cameron is. James Cameron put together the team that designed the DeepSea Challenger, which he took to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, far deeper than Titanic. One interesting tidbid (IIRC) is that they spent 3 years just designing the pressure vessel in software before they ever built anything, so precise the engineering had to be.…
Surprisingly the DeepSea Challenger was only $10M as well. Thats certainly a ton of money, but it's in the same ballpark as what ocean gate spent.
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I hadn't heard that before. Did Oceangate lie about or understate the risks?
It's easy (and legally advised) to have a waiver mentioning all the risks, while also totally downplaying them in your sales pitch and live communications that go on before such a thing gets signed.
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The word "found" implies judicial discovery of truth through due process. This was a settlement. Nobody was found to be at fault, the information was highly dangerous and therefore valuable, if you want to eliminate the market of buying silence reform due process protections so they cannot be subverted by so called plea "deals" and so called settlement "agreements".
That's not right. "Settlement" does really say a judge oversaw the entire thing while a corporation bullied somebody working for the public interest into silence.
If you're implying that the judge was somehow complicit in helping OceanGate ('oversaw', meaning presided over and made decisions concerning), then please provide evidence of that?
Tale as old as time: lack of safety culture due to reality denying executives causes people to die.
I don't think the executive going down in their own creation and using a video game controller before imploding is a tale as old time.
This event is just thinly veiled with a little bit more civility and tech progress.
The whole idea was/is weird. I can understand undertaking a certain level of risk to get an amazing view of the Titanic, or some other wreck or reef, but that wasn't even what was offered. Regardless of who offered this dive and how it was managed, there would always have been some risk. That risk had to be stupid low for what was offered, a tiny window, offering a really poor viewing experience. It not even like the…
A cramped interior and a small window, making the thing feel harder and less attainable, amps up the excitement.
The Wired article clearly paints Rush as someone who was irresponsible and cavalier about even the basics of good engineering before testing a complex thing with real human lives that trusted him too much. In the essence of that argument at least, they're right. His using a prototype he knew to be a failure to then explore the ocean with customers aboard, under the same conditions as those that caused its test failur…
> In the world of exploring extremely harsh environments, some heavy risk is inevitable even if you do everything you know of right. In such contexts, something could go catastrophically wrong just as easily as it could all end successfully and a narrative will be constructed for why either was the case even if either outcome was interchangeably plausible.. That implies that what they were doing was somehow pioneerin…
And even then, USN submarines are absurdly over-engineered. Or more aptly, they’re engineered to survive a massively hostile environment, even under multiple worst-case scenarios. FFS, the USS San Francisco slammed into an underwater mountain at flank speed at a depth of over 500 feet, and still managed to surface and get home under her own power. New sonar dome, ballast tanks, etc. and she was released for duty for another eight years.
This is only possible when you have multiple, redundant systems for everything.